Council to rethink its taxi CCTV proposals

thisisoxfordshire: Council to rethink its taxi CCTV proposals Council to rethink its taxi CCTV proposals

A controversial plan to record all conversations in city taxis is to be looked at again.

Oxford City Council is set to launch a “more extensive” consultation which could lead to only video or audio recording, rather than both.

Last year it approved the compulsory scheme after it was backed by two trade bodies.

But deputy leader Ed Turner said concerns raised by drivers following a November Oxford Mail report had led the council to think again.

He said: “The fact we are doing more consultation suggests the first consultation with trade bodies wasn’t sufficient to get an accurate view. That is why we are having another round of consultation.”

A council report backs more extensive consultation which could ask “whether either or both types of recording should be introduced”.

The council and trade leaders argue cameras are vital to provide evidence of attacks and allegations against drivers.

But civil liberties campaigners claim the devices breach data protection guidelines and are an invasion of privacy.

Alan Woodward, former chairman of trade body City of Oxford Licensed Taxi Cab Association (Colta) – who led calls for the cameras but resigned amid criticism from some cabbies – said “one or two” opposed the plans.

He said: “I had drivers in my office complaining about being attacked by passengers. We also had people complaining to the police about being attacked by drivers.”

The association represents 103 of the city’s 107 black cab drivers, he said, and committee leaders were elected each year.

But minicab driver Khalil Ahmed, who organised a petition of more than 270 opposed to the plan, said: “The council has never consulted the drivers.

“Colta never represented Hackney carriage drivers properly.”

He said the 665 minicab drivers “never had a proper body”.

Colta was not available for comment.

Nick Pickles, director of campaign group Big Brother Watch, said: “We don’t need another drawn-out consultation, we need the council to drop this intrusive, illiberal policy before any more damage is done to Oxford’s reputation.”

The cameras would start when the ignition is activated and stop 30 minutes after it is switched off. Footage would only be viewed on request from police and council officers. The council wanted all new cabs to have the £460 cameras, with the existing 665 vehicles fitted by April 2015.

It offered to pay £100 towards the cost of each recording system.

The plan was put on hold pending an inquiry by the Information Commissioner’s Office which ordered the council to justify the legality of cameras.

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11:38am Fri 25 May 12

Bartsimpson_uk says...

Alan Woodward, former chairman of trade body City of Oxford Licensed Taxi Cab Association (Colta) – who led calls for the cameras but resigned amid criticism from some cabbies – said “one or two” opposed the plans.
I think yuo will fiond it was a lot more than that, but you had a vested intrest installing these devices as you would have taken a cut!!
Alan Woodward, former chairman of trade body City of Oxford Licensed Taxi Cab Association (Colta) – who led calls for the cameras but resigned amid criticism from some cabbies – said “one or two” opposed the plans. I think yuo will fiond it was a lot more than that, but you had a vested intrest installing these devices as you would have taken a cut!! Bartsimpson_uk

12:43pm Fri 25 May 12

Mark L. says...

Why not make it voluntary. If a cabbie fears assault or has been assaulted, then let him install it if he wants to. That taxi can then display stickers warning customers that it is installed with cameras. If the passengers are then worried about civil liberties then they can get another cab or walk!.
Why not make it voluntary. If a cabbie fears assault or has been assaulted, then let him install it if he wants to. That taxi can then display stickers warning customers that it is installed with cameras. If the passengers are then worried about civil liberties then they can get another cab or walk!. Mark L.

7:44pm Fri 25 May 12

davyboy says...

Mark L. wrote:
Why not make it voluntary. If a cabbie fears assault or has been assaulted, then let him install it if he wants to. That taxi can then display stickers warning customers that it is installed with cameras. If the passengers are then worried about civil liberties then they can get another cab or walk!.
that is probably the best option, and watch insurance companies hammer those that don't have it!
[quote][p][bold]Mark L.[/bold] wrote: Why not make it voluntary. If a cabbie fears assault or has been assaulted, then let him install it if he wants to. That taxi can then display stickers warning customers that it is installed with cameras. If the passengers are then worried about civil liberties then they can get another cab or walk!.[/p][/quote]that is probably the best option, and watch insurance companies hammer those that don't have it! davyboy

7:46pm Fri 25 May 12

LORD PETER MACVEY 0X2 6EG says...

Mark L. wrote:
Why not make it voluntary. If a cabbie fears assault or has been assaulted, then let him install it if he wants to. That taxi can then display stickers warning customers that it is installed with cameras. If the passengers are then worried about civil liberties then they can get another cab or walk!.
That is too sensible a suggestion for the Stasi that sit in the town hall making these decisions. You will obey. I don't want to get in a cab a bit worse for wear knowing I am being recorded.
[quote][p][bold]Mark L.[/bold] wrote: Why not make it voluntary. If a cabbie fears assault or has been assaulted, then let him install it if he wants to. That taxi can then display stickers warning customers that it is installed with cameras. If the passengers are then worried about civil liberties then they can get another cab or walk!.[/p][/quote]That is too sensible a suggestion for the Stasi that sit in the town hall making these decisions. You will obey. I don't want to get in a cab a bit worse for wear knowing I am being recorded. LORD PETER MACVEY 0X2 6EG

7:19am Sat 26 May 12

iCapture CCTV says...

We fit these systems, although none in Oxford yet they were designed to initially reduce cash for crash and are now being utilised in Taxis. We have alot of units fitted in London cabs, as we are TFL approved. Ours have no audio recording function on at all as this is not a requirement within a taxi. This should be the drivers choice and not a compulsory measure, for inside the taxi. I am a great believer that commercial vehicles should be fitted with them externally to record any vehicle accidents, effectively like a black box recorder.

The issue of filming in a taxi is one I have had may a debate on, when you think about it you walk down the High Street and your on camera. You know your on camera, on the High Street in the shops, on a bus. How is in a taxi any different? I welcome comments on this
We fit these systems, although none in Oxford yet they were designed to initially reduce cash for crash and are now being utilised in Taxis. We have alot of units fitted in London cabs, as we are TFL approved. Ours have no audio recording function on at all as this is not a requirement within a taxi. This should be the drivers choice and not a compulsory measure, for inside the taxi. I am a great believer that commercial vehicles should be fitted with them externally to record any vehicle accidents, effectively like a black box recorder. The issue of filming in a taxi is one I have had may a debate on, when you think about it you walk down the High Street and your on camera. You know your on camera, on the High Street in the shops, on a bus. How is in a taxi any different? I welcome comments on this iCapture CCTV

7:20am Sat 26 May 12

iCapture CCTV says...

We fit these systems, although none in Oxford yet they were designed to initially reduce cash for crash and are now being utilised in Taxis. We have alot of units fitted in London cabs, as we are TFL approved. Ours have no audio recording function on at all as this is not a requirement within a taxi. This should be the drivers choice and not a compulsory measure, for inside the taxi. I am a great believer that commercial vehicles should be fitted with them externally to record any vehicle accidents, effectively like a black box recorder.

The issue of filming in a taxi is one I have had may a debate on, when you think about it you walk down the High Street and your on camera. You know your on camera, on the High Street in the shops, on a bus. How is in a taxi any different? I welcome comments on this
We fit these systems, although none in Oxford yet they were designed to initially reduce cash for crash and are now being utilised in Taxis. We have alot of units fitted in London cabs, as we are TFL approved. Ours have no audio recording function on at all as this is not a requirement within a taxi. This should be the drivers choice and not a compulsory measure, for inside the taxi. I am a great believer that commercial vehicles should be fitted with them externally to record any vehicle accidents, effectively like a black box recorder. The issue of filming in a taxi is one I have had may a debate on, when you think about it you walk down the High Street and your on camera. You know your on camera, on the High Street in the shops, on a bus. How is in a taxi any different? I welcome comments on this iCapture CCTV

7:20am Sat 26 May 12

iCapture CCTV says...

We fit these systems, although none in Oxford yet they were designed to initially reduce cash for crash and are now being utilised in Taxis. We have alot of units fitted in London cabs, as we are TFL approved. Ours have no audio recording function on at all as this is not a requirement within a taxi. This should be the drivers choice and not a compulsory measure, for inside the taxi. I am a great believer that commercial vehicles should be fitted with them externally to record any vehicle accidents, effectively like a black box recorder.

The issue of filming in a taxi is one I have had may a debate on, when you think about it you walk down the High Street and your on camera. You know your on camera, on the High Street in the shops, on a bus. How is in a taxi any different? I welcome comments on this
We fit these systems, although none in Oxford yet they were designed to initially reduce cash for crash and are now being utilised in Taxis. We have alot of units fitted in London cabs, as we are TFL approved. Ours have no audio recording function on at all as this is not a requirement within a taxi. This should be the drivers choice and not a compulsory measure, for inside the taxi. I am a great believer that commercial vehicles should be fitted with them externally to record any vehicle accidents, effectively like a black box recorder. The issue of filming in a taxi is one I have had may a debate on, when you think about it you walk down the High Street and your on camera. You know your on camera, on the High Street in the shops, on a bus. How is in a taxi any different? I welcome comments on this iCapture CCTV

9:45am Sat 26 May 12

davyboy says...

iCapture CCTV wrote:
We fit these systems, although none in Oxford yet they were designed to initially reduce cash for crash and are now being utilised in Taxis. We have alot of units fitted in London cabs, as we are TFL approved. Ours have no audio recording function on at all as this is not a requirement within a taxi. This should be the drivers choice and not a compulsory measure, for inside the taxi. I am a great believer that commercial vehicles should be fitted with them externally to record any vehicle accidents, effectively like a black box recorder.

The issue of filming in a taxi is one I have had may a debate on, when you think about it you walk down the High Street and your on camera. You know your on camera, on the High Street in the shops, on a bus. How is in a taxi any different? I welcome comments on this
there have been many incidents where taxi drivers have assaulted/attacked lone female passengers at night, or where drivers have been attacked for their takings. maybe CCTV without voice recording could be used, but that then means there is no real proof of what may have been said to start the situation off. these systems are in use on buses, although voice recording is only in the cab area, in case of fare disputes.
[quote][p][bold]iCapture CCTV[/bold] wrote: We fit these systems, although none in Oxford yet they were designed to initially reduce cash for crash and are now being utilised in Taxis. We have alot of units fitted in London cabs, as we are TFL approved. Ours have no audio recording function on at all as this is not a requirement within a taxi. This should be the drivers choice and not a compulsory measure, for inside the taxi. I am a great believer that commercial vehicles should be fitted with them externally to record any vehicle accidents, effectively like a black box recorder. The issue of filming in a taxi is one I have had may a debate on, when you think about it you walk down the High Street and your on camera. You know your on camera, on the High Street in the shops, on a bus. How is in a taxi any different? I welcome comments on this[/p][/quote]there have been many incidents where taxi drivers have assaulted/attacked lone female passengers at night, or where drivers have been attacked for their takings. maybe CCTV without voice recording could be used, but that then means there is no real proof of what may have been said to start the situation off. these systems are in use on buses, although voice recording is only in the cab area, in case of fare disputes. davyboy

7:05pm Mon 28 May 12

Apu Nahasapeemapetilon says...

iCapture CCTV wrote:
We fit these systems, although none in Oxford yet they were designed to initially reduce cash for crash and are now being utilised in Taxis. We have alot of units fitted in London cabs, as we are TFL approved. Ours have no audio recording function on at all as this is not a requirement within a taxi. This should be the drivers choice and not a compulsory measure, for inside the taxi. I am a great believer that commercial vehicles should be fitted with them externally to record any vehicle accidents, effectively like a black box recorder.

The issue of filming in a taxi is one I have had may a debate on, when you think about it you walk down the High Street and your on camera. You know your on camera, on the High Street in the shops, on a bus. How is in a taxi any different? I welcome comments on this
And we will make sure that if it ever comes in then your company will be BLACKLISTED. You will not get a penny off of us, you Judas.
[quote][p][bold]iCapture CCTV[/bold] wrote: We fit these systems, although none in Oxford yet they were designed to initially reduce cash for crash and are now being utilised in Taxis. We have alot of units fitted in London cabs, as we are TFL approved. Ours have no audio recording function on at all as this is not a requirement within a taxi. This should be the drivers choice and not a compulsory measure, for inside the taxi. I am a great believer that commercial vehicles should be fitted with them externally to record any vehicle accidents, effectively like a black box recorder. The issue of filming in a taxi is one I have had may a debate on, when you think about it you walk down the High Street and your on camera. You know your on camera, on the High Street in the shops, on a bus. How is in a taxi any different? I welcome comments on this[/p][/quote]And we will make sure that if it ever comes in then your company will be BLACKLISTED. You will not get a penny off of us, you Judas. Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

11:09am Tue 29 May 12

excabman says...

Strange how anyone thinks that anyone from the taxi association would have made money from cctv systems that the association had successfully negotiated a cost of £700 down to £450, all of these slanderous accusations against one person seems very rich when it was an eight man committee who instructed Colta to investigate the feesability of CCTV, six out of the eight memebrs of the trade who voted to accept CCTV were from the private hire trade management, no one seems to be criticising them, wonder why ?
Strange how anyone thinks that anyone from the taxi association would have made money from cctv systems that the association had successfully negotiated a cost of £700 down to £450, all of these slanderous accusations against one person seems very rich when it was an eight man committee who instructed Colta to investigate the feesability of CCTV, six out of the eight memebrs of the trade who voted to accept CCTV were from the private hire trade management, no one seems to be criticising them, wonder why ? excabman

4:54pm Tue 29 May 12

Apu Nahasapeemapetilon says...

excabman wrote:
Strange how anyone thinks that anyone from the taxi association would have made money from cctv systems that the association had successfully negotiated a cost of £700 down to £450, all of these slanderous accusations against one person seems very rich when it was an eight man committee who instructed Colta to investigate the feesability of CCTV, six out of the eight memebrs of the trade who voted to accept CCTV were from the private hire trade management, no one seems to be criticising them, wonder why ?
2 things, why were trade reps allowed to give the go anead on this without consulting the paying members, they do not have a mandate for something this serious. And did not Alan go on a course so that he would be qualified to be the agent for the cameras. And another thing why no insistance that a cab whose cctv was faulty could still work until it was fixed at the earliest opportunity, if my camera broke at 11pm on a friday night do you really expect me to lose the best (and only) earning opportunity of the week? If Alan did not do the course to become the agent accept my apologies, but I am told this by at least 50 other drivers. By the way, what did you lose your badge for?
[quote][p][bold]excabman[/bold] wrote: Strange how anyone thinks that anyone from the taxi association would have made money from cctv systems that the association had successfully negotiated a cost of £700 down to £450, all of these slanderous accusations against one person seems very rich when it was an eight man committee who instructed Colta to investigate the feesability of CCTV, six out of the eight memebrs of the trade who voted to accept CCTV were from the private hire trade management, no one seems to be criticising them, wonder why ?[/p][/quote]2 things, why were trade reps allowed to give the go anead on this without consulting the paying members, they do not have a mandate for something this serious. And did not Alan go on a course so that he would be qualified to be the agent for the cameras. And another thing why no insistance that a cab whose cctv was faulty could still work until it was fixed at the earliest opportunity, if my camera broke at 11pm on a friday night do you really expect me to lose the best (and only) earning opportunity of the week? If Alan did not do the course to become the agent accept my apologies, but I am told this by at least 50 other drivers. By the way, what did you lose your badge for? Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

9:47am Wed 30 May 12

excabman says...

Alan did not undertake any course to fit or maintain CCTV systems, so, he has thanked you for your apology.
He gave up his license due to continuing health issues which meant that he needed a full medical every year, he also requests that Colta issue details of their reps in order to stop the media keep bothering him for comments.
Alan did not undertake any course to fit or maintain CCTV systems, so, he has thanked you for your apology. He gave up his license due to continuing health issues which meant that he needed a full medical every year, he also requests that Colta issue details of their reps in order to stop the media keep bothering him for comments. excabman

10:16am Tue 12 Jun 12

excabman says...

Good news on TV this morning, all of you who have been allowed by this newspaper to get away with slanderous comments about individuals will soon have to be named by the website owner, look out those of you who have hidden your identities, another big brother will soon be looking into your behaviour, the courts.
Good news on TV this morning, all of you who have been allowed by this newspaper to get away with slanderous comments about individuals will soon have to be named by the website owner, look out those of you who have hidden your identities, another big brother will soon be looking into your behaviour, the courts. excabman

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