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Oxford teen told: Car too dirty for L test


A LEARNER driver has been driven to despair after an examiner refused to test him — because his dad’s car was too dirty.

Teenager Jack Hyde arrived at the Oxford Driving Test Centre in Cowley in his dad’s five-year-old Volkswagen Golf, but he failed to even set foot in the vehicle after the examiner pointed to croissant crumbs on the seat and refused to get in.

Jack, 18, and his father, John, of Berrick Salome, near Wallingford, claimed they had cleaned the car inside and out on the morning of the test having returned home from a trip to France the previous night.

Mr Hyde senior said there were two bottles of water on the back seat and a “tiny amount” of croissant crumbs on the front seat.

There were also dog biscuits under the seat used to train the family pet.

But the examiner cancelled the test and refused to offer a refund, leaving the pair no option but to drive home.

Mr Hyde has now complained in writing to the Driving Standards Agency, which organises tests, and Jack now faces a six-week wait to retake his test.

After initially failing at the beginning of the year, this episode was the third time in a row Jack’s test had been cancelled.

Standing water from heavy rain and an examiner’s illness twice delayed his chance to throw away his L-plates in the past five months.

Referring to the latest incident, Jack said: “I turned up and everything was normal. Then, as soon as he opened the passenger door, he said ‘I can’t take you out in this’. I couldn’t believe it.

“He said he came to work in suit trousers and expected to sit on a tidy seat.

“It wasn’t even particularly dirty. There were old stains that you get in any car, but they wouldn’t come off on anyone’s clothes. I’d failed a test in Oxford a couple of months before and the car was no cleaner. That examiner didn’t mention it, or even say I should make sure the car was clean because other examiners might be picky.

“It’s really annoying. He could have at least given us five minutes to clean it, but there was just no negotiation.

“I know I may not have passed, but it has ruined my summer because it’s a big thing to be able to drive.”

Mr Hyde senior said: “I shudder to think, if they fail you for this then nobody would even pass their test with a normal car, you’d have to buy a new car to do it.

“It was a normal family car that I had cleaned at the car wash and that Jack had tidied up inside that morning.”

Last night, a spokesperson for the Driving Standards Agency said: “If the candidate makes a complaint or asks for a refund, we’ll look into it when we receive it.”

tairs@oxfordmail.co.uk

Comments(12)

Quentin Walker says...
5:14pm Fri 10 Jul 09

There are two sides to every story. I'd like to hear the Examiner's version.

cottage2day says...
5:26pm Fri 10 Jul 09

Jobsworth, give it a wipe and carry on for christ sake.

sean_s says...
12:20am Sat 11 Jul 09

Do not hold your breath for a reply from the dsa. on my first test, i got failed for being in the wrong lane on rose hill roundabout. so, on my second test, as i came up to the same roundabout, i got in the lane that the examiner had previously told me to do, when we got back to the centre, i got failed for being in the wrong lane again??? There are only two lanes. i made a formal complaint to the dsa and heard nothing. The examinor also would not explain to me what i did wrong. So i was another £104 out of pocket. Personal opinion, the head of the dsa needs to have a meeting or speak to individuals to work out a correct system for which they follow. A friend of mine got failed due to the fact of haing a ciggarette half an hour before his test. i also got failed for giving a bus right of way, when there were cars parked on my side of the road. i have passed my test now but i really hope they get this sorted out!

PU30 says...
8:50am Sat 11 Jul 09

cottage2day wrote:
Jobsworth, give it a wipe and carry on for christ sake.
have a close look at the picture of the seat and then say you would like to sit in it.

Andrew:Oxford says...
3:51pm Sat 11 Jul 09

sean_s wrote:
Do not hold your breath for a reply from the dsa. on my first test, i got failed for being in the wrong lane on rose hill roundabout. so, on my second test, as i came up to the same roundabout, i got in the lane that the examiner had previously told me to do, when we got back to the centre, i got failed for being in the wrong lane again??? There are only two lanes. i made a formal complaint to the dsa and heard nothing. The examinor also would not explain to me what i did wrong. So i was another £104 out of pocket. Personal opinion, the head of the dsa needs to have a meeting or speak to individuals to work out a correct system for which they follow. A friend of mine got failed due to the fact of haing a ciggarette half an hour before his test. i also got failed for giving a bus right of way, when there were cars parked on my side of the road. i have passed my test now but i really hope they get this sorted out!
Which is the rosehill roundabout?

The one on the bypass? If so, it has 3 lanes on each approach with the exception of the exit from Littlemore which only has 2.


Andrew:Oxford says...
3:57pm Sat 11 Jul 09

Sounds like the examiner did the right thing...

You're planning on doing an emergency stop for goodness sake! Two 500ml bottles of water in the back become 1lb projectiles to crack you on the head if you brake sharply. Loose rubbish around the front (driver seat) can jam under the pedals.

And as for the Croissant crumbs... Who hasn't accidently ended up with a greasy mark on their clothes after eating a delicous buttery flaky croissant? You're not going to choose to sit on the crumbs just to take them to the dry cleaners.

zorba the geek says...
10:04am Sun 12 Jul 09

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
Sounds like the examiner did the right thing... You're planning on doing an emergency stop for goodness sake! Two 500ml bottles of water in the back become 1lb projectiles to crack you on the head if you brake sharply. Loose rubbish around the front (driver seat) can jam under the pedals. And as for the Croissant crumbs... Who hasn't accidently ended up with a greasy mark on their clothes after eating a delicous buttery flaky croissant? You're not going to choose to sit on the crumbs just to take them to the dry cleaners.
What complete and utter nonsense about the emergency stop. Explain how two bottles on the back seat can hit you in the back of the head. They'll hit the back of the driver or passenger seat.

Wendle1 says...
12:19pm Sun 12 Jul 09

Well i wouldn't sit on it

chefchef says...
1:41pm Sun 12 Jul 09

clean the car or get a seat cover you wankers

sandbagger says...
7:19pm Sun 12 Jul 09

Crumbs and dog biscuits !!! How disgusting! Is the Hyde's family lounge also covered with similar items? What would the driver do if the water bottles burst during an EMS causing the water to spill under his feet and cause the foot to slip off the brake pedal ? Result could be that some innocent soul could die in the likely carnage! Sheer negligence by the Hydes.
A driving examiner is entitled to a clean car for conducting the test.
Good driving instructors always provide a clean car for their pupils to use on test and lessons, so 'private runners' should do the same. Pride and cleanliness cost nothing.

Old zimner says...
3:01pm Mon 13 Jul 09

does **** get through the sensor

Old zimner says...
3:02pm Mon 13 Jul 09

must be wankers


Jack Hyde with his L plates The dirty seat

Jack Hyde with his L plates

The dirty seat



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