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Both sides of a rat’s tale

6:19am Wednesday 3rd October 2007

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When District Judge Brian Loosley told Dr Frances Kennett that he sympathised with her after she withheld one month's council tax due to a rat infestation, the story attracted headlines across the country.

And it focused attention on Oxford City Council's decision to switch to a fortnightly waste collection last October.

The jury is still out on whether the fortnightly collection has led to an increase in the number of infestations.

Here, Dr Kennett and Jean Fooks, executive member for a cleaner city, give their sides of the story.

Frances KennettDR KENNETT: I live in Jericho, Oxford, a small area of two-up two-down terraced houses. I sold up a large family home in London to live more simply and go back to studying here, when my family had all grown up and gone.

"I've had rats in my house for nine months now and I'm fighting the city council over their failure to stop my neighbourhood turning into a pest-infested and unhygienic nightmare.

"It all started last autumn, when the council announcing it was rolling out a fortnightly household waste collection system in my area. I called the council to say that it wasn't possible for my kind of house to have a wheelie bin, because we all have to take the bags through our living rooms. I was told we could go on having bags instead.

"I was glad the council was being flexible. But when the day came, all the streets were just blocked with bins on the pavements, left out all the time, and soon overflowing with stinking supermarket bags, half torn apart and spilling.

"I insisted on keeping just to the city's charming lilac-eyesore plastic bags, and continued to store them in a large wooden box that I've painted up a nice shade of leaf-green. It fits neatly into a small corner of my back garden. So I'm not sitting in a tiny area with a larger plastic wheelie bin bang next to my chair.

"The Jericho scene after Christmas did it for me. Rotting poultry bones, piles of nappies, bags full of cardboard and wrapping paper stood around for days. No one remembered or even cared what the collection day was. The new system hadn't sunk in! I had seen a notice from someone hoping to campaign against the system, so I rang up, and said something had to be done. But as usual, I got caught up in work and other things, and didn't follow through.

"Three months later, I was working in my little office upstairs and heard scratching and scrabbling in the wall above my head. I've never had rats in my life - and I've been lucky to run homes in many cities both here, in the USA and other foreign parts.

"I thought the noise was birds, but I was kidding myself! A neighbour heard them too, and then the truth dawned - three of our joined terraced houses had rats running through them, in the loft spaces, in the walls, and through the roofs.

"I called out the rodent officer from the council, and to my horror, he found a rat jammed up under a gutter in the back extension - it looked like it was too fat to get in and squashed itself to death.

"Honestly, I gagged, and almost cried when I saw that filthy animal. The poor council officer was very embarrassed and left me snivelling in my kitchen.

"I felt like there was a disgusting intrusion in my home. I felt as if I was out of control in the way I choose to live. I am not exaggerating - I had a Welsh mother, with all that cleanliness is next to Godliness' attitude, and it's stayed with me - well, the cleanliness at least!

"The noise doesn't make my skin crawl - it just makes me completely furious with an impractical system and incompetent council that has brought this problem into my private space. Of course, they say they have to do it, because of the EC and Government diktats. Not their responsibility, then.

"Tony the rodent officer visits me and my neighbours regularly - we are quite friendly in spite of my pathetic behaviour on the first visit. He's done all he can, but the rats are still with us. Of course they are - they're getting fat on food rubbish left in people's back gardens, and from fly-tippers who dump their stuff in street litter bins all round my area.

"Here I am, nine months later, and I still have rats - as do my two neighbours. The council says it has nothing to do with fortnightly waste collections, since Oxford's always had rats. In which case why introduce a sloppy, unhygienic system which is bound to make the problem worse? So I was summonsed by the council for council tax arrears - but the council has blighted my house and my neighbourhood, and I insist on having the Revaluation Tribunal reduce my rating band.

"I am appealing to the council's Ombudsman for the city's failure to provide me with basic practical services.

"A recent Government Select Committee report stated that the fortnightly system had been rolled out by many councils in a rigid fashion, and that fortnightly collections were not suitable for certain areas, such as inner cities and places of multi-occupancy. That's Jericho: one-third student lets, one-third council-owned houses and one-third owner-occupiers.

"I am not participating in this foul system. I definitely support recycling - I take everything I can to the dumps myself - as often as I need - and I compost everything else on my allotment.

"This is not just a rant from a fussy woman! We have young couples in tiny flats protesting; we have families up in arms about rats in their school playground and we have tenants in tiny single rooms who have to put their bags outside on the street all the time, because they have no practical alternative. Another woman I know cannot open her kitchen French windows because the rats in her garden might come in.

"Did you know that weekly collections ought to be the minimum, because flies lay eggs which breed after seven days - filling bins and bags with maggots!

"No one, but no one, is going to make me live at a level of hygiene that is below my personal standards, in my own freehold property. Are you listening, Oxford councillors? I'm not going away until you do - but once this infestation has been sorted, I will stop paying your council tax altogether - I will move out of Jericho."

Jean FooksJEAN FOOKS: "Before considering Dr Kennett's case, we should recall why Oxford's refuse and recycling collection service was changed in 2006/7.

"Oxford had a low recycling rate compared to its neighbours and was sending more to landfill than necessary. Landfill is bad for the environment and the Government is increasing charges substantially year on year, as well as setting local authorities tough targets with fines to be imposed of £150 per tonne for exceeding them.

"The then Labour administration announced in October 2005 that the city should change to an alternate weekly collection system, with different materials collected each week and much more recyclable material collected from the kerbside. The original plan was to give everyone a wheelie bin, regardless of the type of property.

"After consultation with the public, it was decided to provide a limited number of special bags instead to those properties that could not cope with a wheelie bin. We offered to provide a bin as well if people wanted one to keep the bags in until collection day, as secure storage reduces possible nuisance.

"The advantages of wheelie bins are several. They contain the waste securely, virtually eliminating the risk of attack by dogs, cats, foxes or rats. They are much better for the operatives, much reducing the risk of strains to back and shoulders from lifting heavy bags or injury from sharp objects in the bags. They are easier for householders to move to the collection point.

"Dr Kennett was changed to the new system at the end of November 2006 and reported a rat in her house in January 2007. Council pest control officers investigated and put down rat bait. After several calls, officers found that there is a damaged drain under Dr Kennett's property, which is likely to be the source of any rats in the area. Thames Water has been investigating and the responsibility for repair has not been established; however, it must be repaired and the council is pressing for this to be done urgently.

"Changing waste collection requires changes to all of our practices - householders separate the different materials and the council needs new vehicles and provides appropriate bins and boxes.

"Oxford's residents have responded magnificently - that dismal 19 per cent recycling rate of March 2006 has been replaced by a very impressive 40 per cent in June 2007.

"The slight drop in July and August is largely due to a big increase in landfill waste following flood damage. As much as 20,000 tonnes of waste has been diverted from landfill since the new scheme started.

"The extra collections cost money; we have taken on seven extra round operatives as well as buying new vehicles, bins and boxes. If we were to introduce an extra landfill collection in the recycling' weeks, that would cost us about £750,000 a year in vehicles and crew which we simply do not have. There is also evidence that limiting the landfill waste capacity makes people think more about what they are throwing away, and to reduce this by recycling more.

"Not everyone adapted to the new system straight away; we decided to inform and educate before moving to warnings and enforcement by fines. We started issuing formal warnings in the spring to those householders persistently putting out excess waste or putting it out on the wrong day; despite over 3,000 warning letters we have only had to issue 21 fines for non-compliance.

"We used to get complaints about black bags on the streets, split and oozing; this is now a much rarer occurrence and we are getting tough on offenders.

"Judge Loosley was right to insist that Dr Kennett paid her council tax. However, I am surprised, given the facts, at his suggestion that the change to our collection systems was responsible for her problem.

"As the portfolio holder I am doing my best to get the new system working as well as possible, with the council offering advice where wanted on how to make it work. I do not have access to funds to increase our collections of landfill waste."


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Robert Daniels-Dwyer, North Oxford says...
8:26am Wed 3 Oct 07

Recycling and refuse collection are two separate issues, that local authorities have become keen to confuse. What joins them together is the attempt to control costs by having the same people do both collection jobs, in alternate weeks.
I now recycle more because the range of materials I can recycle has increased. I suspect the same applies to others. It has nothing to do with the council reducing refuse collection frequency.
Ultimately, £750,000 is not a large amount for a city like Oxford to raise through local taxation, and so perhaps the Council should engage in discussion with residents, rather than imposing a simple but ill-conceived solution.
Additionally, if household refuse is reduced, and also collected weekly, we might be able to remove the eyesore wheelie bins that now litter a city in which many people live in terraces and so must leave these bins in front of their houses.

roly, says...
9:14am Wed 3 Oct 07

I saw a Rat running along Abingdon Road yesterday evening, it was not near the allotments or sports fields it was running between two houses. In 20 years of travelling along there at all times and in all weather its the first time I have seen one. Funnily enough there was another one this morning. But of course there is no Rat problem in Oxford is there. I totally agree with increasing recycling but not by bullying and not at the cost of Public Health. If the Councils and Government want more recycling then the answer is dedicated recycling plants so there is no confusion, we just dispose of rubbish in the normal way and then it get sorted at the plant. Just like they do in Europe.

John, Osney Island says...
9:47am Wed 3 Oct 07

Just rats? How lucky we didn't have the globally warmed summer that was predicted! Flies maggots.....
It is now time for this lunatic scheme to be totally overhauled and weekly collections of perishable waste to be restored.
As to raising revenue (above) I alreaday pay rates of £1,700pa to this benighted authority- to raise (the wildly inflated) figure of £750,000 I suggest that the Council looks to it's own waste and inefficiency and it's fat cat executives.
One chief exec' would pay for a load of binmen!

Gordon, Oxford says...
10:06am Wed 3 Oct 07

Robert Daniels-Dwyer seems to forget that the city has very limited revenue-raising powers: council tax only accounts for about 20% of city spending, and the Government caps authorities that increase council tax more than the Government thinks is appropriate - even if the authority can demonstrate significant local support for higher taxation.

But why is the council getting all the flak for this? The rats problem that Dr. Kennett faces seems to be either her responsibility or Thames Water's responsibility, depending on the location of the broken pipe. Is the Oxford Mail afraid of taking on Thames Water, or is it just engaging in a hate campaign against Cllr Fooks?

CWWC, says...
10:40am Wed 3 Oct 07

Any council introducing alternate weekly collections is ignoring the fact that this scheme has failed in 18 other districts in the UK. Those councils reverting to weekly collections have NOT had to increase council tax substantially to operate a weekly collection of general waste.
As founder of the Campaign for Weekly Waste Collection I had my own unpleasant experience with rat infestations - following Dr Kennett's difficulties I now consider myself fortunate that rats were in my garden, rather than my home.A survey in my local area found residents coping with major rat infestations - rats nesting under sheds, doorsteps and rockeries. People were having to clap their hands to make rats scatter so that their children could play safely in the garden. Our Council refuses to admit we have a problem in our area and were quick to introduce pest control charges when they were challenged on this issue.
Under the Prevention of Damage by Pests Act 1949 every Council has a duty to keep their district pest free, as far as is practicable. Allowing bags of waste to remain on streets or in gardens for up to 2 weeks is surely a failure in this regard.

Mike Rotch, Oxford says...
11:06am Wed 3 Oct 07

There is a lot of complaining and a lot of finger pointing at Ms Fooks by people who don't seem to be willing to look at the big picture.
I notice that most of the comments on here are anti-alternately weekly collections but I think you will find that most of the people are not really bothered by it. Just because a majority is silent is doesn't mean it's not there.
A lot of the people who comment here need to grow up and perhaps get a hobby - direct their energies to helping others rather than be aggressive towards others.
Keep up the good work Ms Fooks and ignore the imbeciles - you only have to look at the moronic comments on cycling stories to know the kind of people who generally comment on here.

Kit, Oxford says...
11:10am Wed 3 Oct 07

But why is the council getting all the flak for this? The rats problem that Dr. Kennett faces seems to be either her responsibility or Thames Water's responsibility, depending on the location of the broken pipe. Is the Oxford Mail afraid of taking on Thames Water, or is it just engaging in a hate campaign against Cllr Fooks?

Because even if the council's decision to switch to fortnightly collections wasn't solely to blame for Dr. Kennett's rats, it's ceretainly a primary reason for the large increase in vermin throughout the city, which will become intolerable next time we have a hot summer.

As for there being no money, what is happening to the money saved on landfill charges, and raised from selling recyclable materials? If the council can afford to run a weekly fod waste collection they can obviously afford to collect waste weekly - if Cllr. Fooks can't, perhaps OCC should consider employing someone who CAN act on the will of the people. Remember, you are a public servant Jean, not a mini-dictator.

Rob, Oxford says...
11:16am Wed 3 Oct 07

Got a problem with rats, then why not get some cats.

Gordon, Oxford says...
12:24pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Cllr. Fooks is not employed by the city; she is elected by the voters. You have a chance to vote in city elections every two years - have you taken that opportunity?

The Digressor, Oxford says...
12:44pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I find adding a tablespoon of HP sauce to the gravy and stirring it in gives a nice spicy edge to it, particurlarly good with bangers and mash. Do any other readers have any gravy related suggestions?

Sheila, Cowley says...
1:00pm Wed 3 Oct 07

This is obviously a tale of two cities. The majority of Oxford is happily getting on with the new system, recycling more and enjoying their new rat-proof wheelie bins. There are a few problems in flats and areas who can't have wheelie bins, but why change the system for the whole city if a few people are suffering? Quite a selfish attitude I think.

wendy, oxford says...
1:29pm Wed 3 Oct 07

It seems to me that the main issue here is the fact that, according to the photographs in the Oxford Mail, Dr Kennet's rubbish is in plastic bags. Even if there were weekly collections she would have problems with vermin if her rubbish was not in a proper bin. Added to that if she has cracked drains then she will have problems with vermin from that source as well. The question of two-weekly collections seems to be to be another issue altogether. Badly wrapped food waste will always attract pests.

John, Osney says...
1:37pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Mike Rotch (above) says we should avoid being aggressive to others- then calls us morons and imbeciles!
His hobby seems to be contradictory behaviour?

Chris, Bicester says...
2:18pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I moved to Bicester from Oxford 4 years ago, and one of the very few benefits I've found is that Cherwell DC operates a system of alternate collections for waste and recycling. I’m pleased with this arrangement, as we find are able to use the system to recycle more. Nowadays I find that in conjunction with a garden composter we only generate one or two bags of household waste a fortnight as a family of three. If we had a weekly collection for rubbish I’m not sure that every week we’d be putting the bin out.

I lived in a flat during my time in Oxford. I didn't have a wheelie bin, and simply put full rubbish bags in an open outside store, which every type of pest had a go at. We had rats, cats, foxes and maggots. It also used to smell terribly in the summer. All in all, not very pleasant. With the wheelie bins provided by Cherwell DC we've had no problems at all with any pests or any smells. Even when we missed collections when we've been on holiday there hasn't been an issue. I should perhaps mention that our bins are also outside, at the bottom of the garden, so maybe I just don’t notice any odours.

I think the true cause of the problem may well be the lack of a proper bin, rather than the frequency of collections. It would appear that not even the most determined pest can get into the bins we have.

I do have sympathy with Dr Kennett, as the system doesn’t seem to be working for her, and her situation doesn’t sound pleasant. However, my experience is that with a proper bin the frequency of collections isn’t a problem.

its all gravy..., oxford says...
2:41pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I find that you can taylor gravy to suit certain meats. With beef i like to add some freshly grated horseradish, for lamb I add a liberal spoon of mint sauce. And for everything else I use a scoop of grainy mustard..

tonybrett, Oxford says...
3:11pm Wed 3 Oct 07

We live in a terraced house and have a wheelie bin (the smallest size). It sits just outside the back door for the whole fortnight and it's not a big deal to wheel it through the house only 26 times per YEAR to get it emptied. It doesn't need any front garden at all. I'd rather do that than carry bags of rubbish through the house every week.

When we're away our neighbours put our bin out and when they are away we put theirs out. This ensures that collections are not missed. Is this so difficult?

I do find it slightly hard to believe that anyone in a house with a front and a back door can't use a wheelie bin (unless of course they are very frail or otherwise disabled).

annie, east oxford says...
3:32pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Tony - I think it is difficult for some people to lug a wheelie bin up and steps like some residents in our street would have to, as they have steps at the back and front. We could ask our neighbours to put our bin out as they are elderly and disabled on one side and there is an HMO on the other side who have trouble dealing with their own rubbish anyway. We take this recycling scheme very seriously and do double wrap, close our bin, use our boxes efficiently and walk to take plastics to the local recycling centre. BUT still have rats in our garden. And they are in our neighbours gardens. Not everybody lives in the same circumstances as you seem think. In rural France there are two collections of household waste a week plus weekly recyclables and it seems to be successful.

Mark, Oxford says...
3:32pm Wed 3 Oct 07

the large increase in vermin throughout the city
- is there evidence for this or is it just hearsay and rumour? Bear in mind that ALL cities, worldwide, have rats, mice and other animals living in them.
I also had less sympathy for Dr Kennett after reading that she did not keep her rubbish securely. Wooden boxes are NOT verminproof - thats why the wheelie bins are plastic.

Oh yes, and £750K is NOT a small amount of money to raise through taxation!

annie, east oxford says...
3:39pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Sorry - previous post should say we can't ask our neighbours to put out our rubbish as they are elderly and disabled.
Mark - if all cities have rats and mice etc why on earth introduce a system that will encourage them. I have been told by pest control officers that there is no doubt that extra food lying around in plastic bags attracts them and is a plentiful food supply.

Anne Onne, 902-141 says...
5:06pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Is Mike Rotch related to Michael Hunt? I think we should be told.

Anita Baff, Oxford says...
5:14pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Anne Onne wrote:
Is Mike Rotch related to Michael Hunt? I think we should be told.
Kissing cousins I believe

ivor biggin, oxford says...
6:24pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Look, will everyone stop posting rude pseudonyms and get back to the issue in hand. Ooo er, missus.

graham warne, aylesbury says...
8:15pm Wed 3 Oct 07

i live in aylesbury we have wheelie bins our bins are collected every week and the recycle bins every fortnight with no problems so why cant oxford do it

Freddy, Oxford says...
12:00pm Thu 4 Oct 07

Having lived on a farm all of my life, I can tell you that practically nothing is rat proof for ever. Rats love to gnaw and they will certainly gnaw through anything that’s plastic (e.g. wheelie bins) especially if they can smell food in the wheelie bin.

Once you start to see rats themselves (instead of the signs of rats, e.g. droppings, things that have been gnawed, tracks, etc) then you already have a serious rat problem!

Once you have a rat infestation you need to remove all sources of food (waste) from the area and start laying down poison in safe areas. Multi-catch traps should also be used.

Nobody in this day and age should be forced to put up with a rat infestation in or near their home.

Stephen L. Tvedten, Marne, MI 40435 says...
5:38pm Thu 4 Oct 07

How to kill pests without killing yourself or the earth......

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We are losing the war against these thousand pests mainly because we insist on using only synthetic pesticide POISONS and fertilizers There has been a severe "knowledge drought" - a worldwide decline in agricultural R&D, especially in production research and safe, more effective pest control since the advent of synthetic pesticide POISONS and fertilizers. Today we are like lemmings running to the sea insisting that is the "right way". The greatest challenge facing humanity this century is the necessity for us to double our global food production with less land, less water, less nutrients, less science, frequent droughts, more and more contamination and ever-increasing pest damage.

National Poison Prevention Week, March 18-24,2007 was created to highlight the dangers of poisoning and how to prevent it. One study shows that about 70,000 children in the USA were involved in common household pesticide-related (acute) poisonings or exposures in 2004. At least two peer-reviewed studies have described associations between autism rates and pesticides (D'Amelio et al 2005; Roberts EM et al 2007 in EHP). It is estimated that 300,000 farm workers suffer acute pesticide poisoning each year in the United States - No one is checking chronic contamination.
In order to try to help "stem the tide", I have just finished re-writing my IPM encyclopedia entitled: THE BEST CONTROL II, that contains over 2,800 safe and far more effective alternatives to pesticide POISONS. This latest copyrighted work is about 1,800 pages in length and is now being updated at my new website at http://www.stephentv
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Marne, Michigan 49435
1-616-677-1261
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." --Victor Hugo

Roger, East Oxford says...
12:58am Fri 5 Oct 07

So what natural POISON does he recommend for the rats in Jericho, arsenic? Arsenic is not sythesised.

Frankly, I don't see that either Freddy or Mr Tvedten have got a very practical solution for this situation.

Even if they could be rat-proof, the wheelie bins are no good when their lids are open. In some student areas of East Oxford, so much rubbish has been produced in the first week of the fortnight that wheelie bins are already overflowing with the lids open. Even Jean Fooks cannot claim that they are rat-proof.

Incidentally, how could rat POISON not be a POISON ? But it doesn't have to be volatile, and I don't believe that most of them are.

Chris Sankey, Reading says...
8:04am Sat 6 Oct 07

The comment"once you see rats you have a rat problem" is only to true. Practically no effort or money is spent on the eradication of rats. They are pure parasites, they eat no "pests" and are not eaten in any numbers by predators. We of course by our wasteful and dirty behavoir are responsible for the explosion in the rat population, but government at all levels does little to deal with the problem. In Reading it would appear we have ONE part time(half day) rat man and I am sure we have as many rats as you. And the council last year voted to introduce a £25.00 charge for 3 visits by the rat man!! This indicates to me the way this problem is viewed. I wonder if its a similar situation in Oxford. Chris S.

Chris Sankey, Reading says...
8:33am Sat 6 Oct 07

I wonder if Cllr FOOKS or her fellow Cllrs have taken any steps to deal with the rat problem. Surely a city containing the brainpower which Oxford has could come up with a method of sterilsing the rats, apart from any deseasethey carry it and unpleasant habits its the breeding cycle 21to24 days about8 to a litter and fertile at six weeks of age.

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