Anti-UKIP meeting

John Tanner

John Tanner

First published in News

Speakers will tonight campaign against the UK Independence Party.

Organisers of Oxford Stands up to UKIP will meet at the Asian Cultural Centre in Manzil Way in East Oxford to challenge the party and its members.

Speakers include Labour city councillor John Tanner, leader of the Green group on Oxford City Council Sam Hollick, and Oxford Trades Council vice-president Kate Douglas.

The public can attend from 7.30pm.

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9:24am Wed 23 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

How wonderful-back to "Way of the World" and Peter Simple circa 1990 and rival meetings of the Our Jackie Onassis Fan Club and the Anti Our Jackie Onassis Fan Club at neighbouring workmen's halls in the Stretchford Conurbation
I have a teeny weeny feeling though, that this extreme left shindig will change few voting sentiments. You see folks, the loony left will be talking to itself again. But if that's what it takes to keep it off the streets and blocking the traffic, bring it on!
How wonderful-back to "Way of the World" and Peter Simple circa 1990 and rival meetings of the Our Jackie Onassis Fan Club and the Anti Our Jackie Onassis Fan Club at neighbouring workmen's halls in the Stretchford Conurbation I have a teeny weeny feeling though, that this extreme left shindig will change few voting sentiments. You see folks, the loony left will be talking to itself again. But if that's what it takes to keep it off the streets and blocking the traffic, bring it on! Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 39

10:31am Wed 23 Jul 14

mytaxes says...

If John Tanner and his loonys are against UKIP it must be time to vote for them.
If John Tanner and his loonys are against UKIP it must be time to vote for them. mytaxes
  • Score: 52

11:30am Wed 23 Jul 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

There is a promotional video for UKIP uploaded by SaveTCP CIC (whose registered offices are in the East Oxford Community Centre) on Youtube site, so they must be reasonably popular in East Oxford.

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There is a promotional video for UKIP uploaded by SaveTCP CIC (whose registered offices are in the East Oxford Community Centre) on Youtube site, so they must be reasonably popular in East Oxford. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=uO2SnonPm j0 Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 23

12:34pm Wed 23 Jul 14

yabbadabbadoo256 says...

How about we all get together and organise a "Anti-Left wing" meeting just to balance the picture?
How about we all get together and organise a "Anti-Left wing" meeting just to balance the picture? yabbadabbadoo256
  • Score: 54

12:36pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Ian-Mac says...

If Councillor Tanner is concerned about UKIP taking votes from him at the next election, instead of campaigning against them, why doesn't he spend some time in his ward listening to his residents and acting on their wishes?
If Councillor Tanner is concerned about UKIP taking votes from him at the next election, instead of campaigning against them, why doesn't he spend some time in his ward listening to his residents and acting on their wishes? Ian-Mac
  • Score: 61

12:47pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Ox4Eva says...

Tanner and his fellow communists think they can bully those who they disagree with, all seems rather fascist !
Tanner and his fellow communists think they can bully those who they disagree with, all seems rather fascist ! Ox4Eva
  • Score: 60

1:28pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Emmett Jenner says...

Presumably at this meeting they will be talking about the following:

- They don't like Grammar schools because UKIP support those. They don't want children from the poorest backgrounds to get the opportunity to excel academically. They would prefer that high quality education is only available to students who can afford to go to private schools. This is why the oppose UKIP.

- They don't like Britain because UKIP supports independence for this country. They will discuss how it is better to have 75% of our laws made outside this country by the EU commission where the UK has just 1 commissioner. They will talk about the great democracy of the EU parliament which can't propose legislation and can only vote on it. Where the biggest party is UKIP with 3% of the UKs total influence of 8%. They support the tory cuts as they're happy for £170 billion a year to go off to the EU to contribute to the budget deficits in other EU countries.

- UKIP support greater democracy in this country with their referendums policy. Presumably at this meeting they will warn of the dangers democracy poses to citizens and that because UKIP support democracy they will be against that too.

- When they talk about how the oppose UKIP on energy policy they will mention that today in the UK wind power is generating just 1.98% of the UK's power requirement from 5500 turbines. They will argue for more because UKIP want fewer.

- They'll probably cover immigration too. They will argue in favour of an increase of immigration for the unskilled labour market. They support unskilled jobs going to immigrants before they go to their fellow countrymen. They will argue in favour of higher unemployment for their friends and families to help benefit immigrants from poor EU states. They will argue that the current policy of taking in building labourers from Eastern Europe while denying entry to doctors from India or IT engineers from Africa or venture capitalists from the US is good while UKIPs policy of an Australian-style points based immigration system is bad.

...actually, probably not. Probably they'll just lie to themselves about things which aren't UKIP policy and rage that too many people know the truth, that UKIP isn't what they say it is, that UKIP gaining in popularity, that UKIP won the most recent national elections.
Presumably at this meeting they will be talking about the following: - They don't like Grammar schools because UKIP support those. They don't want children from the poorest backgrounds to get the opportunity to excel academically. They would prefer that high quality education is only available to students who can afford to go to private schools. This is why the oppose UKIP. - They don't like Britain because UKIP supports independence for this country. They will discuss how it is better to have 75% of our laws made outside this country by the EU commission where the UK has just 1 commissioner. They will talk about the great democracy of the EU parliament which can't propose legislation and can only vote on it. Where the biggest party is UKIP with 3% of the UKs total influence of 8%. They support the tory cuts as they're happy for £170 billion a year to go off to the EU to contribute to the budget deficits in other EU countries. - UKIP support greater democracy in this country with their referendums policy. Presumably at this meeting they will warn of the dangers democracy poses to citizens and that because UKIP support democracy they will be against that too. - When they talk about how the oppose UKIP on energy policy they will mention that today in the UK wind power is generating just 1.98% of the UK's power requirement from 5500 turbines. They will argue for more because UKIP want fewer. - They'll probably cover immigration too. They will argue in favour of an increase of immigration for the unskilled labour market. They support unskilled jobs going to immigrants before they go to their fellow countrymen. They will argue in favour of higher unemployment for their friends and families to help benefit immigrants from poor EU states. They will argue that the current policy of taking in building labourers from Eastern Europe while denying entry to doctors from India or IT engineers from Africa or venture capitalists from the US is good while UKIPs policy of an Australian-style points based immigration system is bad. ...actually, probably not. Probably they'll just lie to themselves about things which aren't UKIP policy and rage that too many people know the truth, that UKIP isn't what they say it is, that UKIP gaining in popularity, that UKIP won the most recent national elections. Emmett Jenner
  • Score: 49

1:29pm Wed 23 Jul 14

photon says...

We need to fight all forms of fascism
We need to fight all forms of fascism photon
  • Score: -15

2:10pm Wed 23 Jul 14

MrSooty says...

I wonder how long it'll take them to play the "racist" card ?
I wonder how long it'll take them to play the "racist" card ? MrSooty
  • Score: 42

2:54pm Wed 23 Jul 14

A Scroat says...

Ox4Eva wrote:
Tanner and his fellow communists think they can bully those who they disagree with, all seems rather fascist !
Absolutely right. Welcome to the 12th century Tanner. Scared of democracy eh!
[quote][p][bold]Ox4Eva[/bold] wrote: Tanner and his fellow communists think they can bully those who they disagree with, all seems rather fascist ![/p][/quote]Absolutely right. Welcome to the 12th century Tanner. Scared of democracy eh! A Scroat
  • Score: 32

4:44pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Quentin Walker says...

The heat has got to Mr Tanner, again.
The heat has got to Mr Tanner, again. Quentin Walker
  • Score: 21

4:52pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Mick E says...

The comments above, especially Emmetts (Lord Palmerstone obviously holds racist, misogynist views as evidenced by all of his comments on this sort of subject so doesn't really deserve acknowledgement) , demonstrate the blind ignorance of some people in this country. UKIP rely on the people like those commenters above to spread fear and insecurity & to increase the popularity of their party. Their policy manifesto looks like something drawn up by a seven year old under the heading "twenty things that annoy my Granddad." Judging by comments above, their strategy seems to be working a treat. I hope none of you would want these guys running the country.

The EFD (Europe of Freedom and Democracy) Group, of which UKIP was a key player, was a dangerous extreme right wing group with definite Neo-Nazi connections, mostly under the guise of 'politicians'.You may or may not be aware that MEP Nikki Sinclaire was expelled from UKIP for refusing to be part of the EFD, as she didn't agree with their extreme views. These include views such as those expressed by Mario Borghezio (pretty much Farage's Italian equivalent in work terms, right wing politician and an MEP), when he said this:
"Long live the Whites of Europe, long live our identity, our ethnicity, our race… our blue sky, like the eyes of our women. Blue, in a people who want to stay white."
Now some may argue that's anything from patriotic to racist in the extreme. Whatever your argument, I'm sure we're all agreed that's not the way forward for politics in any country or state, these backwards, frightening, damaging statements that come out of the EFD do nothing but stir hatred, fear & anger.
A lot of people are talking about democracy, does it even exist if people don't even realise what/who they're voting for? Similar for all of the Sun readers who voted Tory because their beloved newspaper told them to, only to regret it once they experienced the ramifications.
For example, their “Pocket Guide to Immigration” promises to “end support for multiculturalism" What the hell does that even mean?! How will they achieve that?!
Are there women voting UKIP in this country?!
Ukip’s ONLY female MEP left (at the time Sinclaire was sacked) Marta Andreasen, recently left the party, labelling Farage as an “anti-women Stalinist dictator” whose view is that “women should be in the kitchen or in the bedroom”.
Anyway I could moan about them all day, UKIP openly describe themselves as “a libertarian, non-racist party”. Nobody in the world (especially in politics) should have to point out the fact that they're not racist.
I just wish people would learn a bit before they open their mouth, or even worse before they take action like voting for this scum, or insult the people standing up to them with comments like those above.
For the record, I'd actually describe my own political stance as 'right of centre', although I'm sure you'll all take pleasure in calling me a 'lefty loon' too!
The comments above, especially Emmetts (Lord Palmerstone obviously holds racist, misogynist views as evidenced by all of his comments on this sort of subject so doesn't really deserve acknowledgement) , demonstrate the blind ignorance of some people in this country. UKIP rely on the people like those commenters above to spread fear and insecurity & to increase the popularity of their party. Their policy manifesto looks like something drawn up by a seven year old under the heading "twenty things that annoy my Granddad." Judging by comments above, their strategy seems to be working a treat. I hope none of you would want these guys running the country. The EFD (Europe of Freedom and Democracy) Group, of which UKIP was a key player, was a dangerous extreme right wing group with definite Neo-Nazi connections, mostly under the guise of 'politicians'.You may or may not be aware that MEP Nikki Sinclaire was expelled from UKIP for refusing to be part of the EFD, as she didn't agree with their extreme views. These include views such as those expressed by Mario Borghezio (pretty much Farage's Italian equivalent in work terms, right wing politician and an MEP), when he said this: "Long live the Whites of Europe, long live our identity, our ethnicity, our race… our blue sky, like the eyes of our women. Blue, in a people who want to stay white." Now some may argue that's anything from patriotic to racist in the extreme. Whatever your argument, I'm sure we're all agreed that's not the way forward for politics in any country or state, these backwards, frightening, damaging statements that come out of the EFD do nothing but stir hatred, fear & anger. A lot of people are talking about democracy, does it even exist if people don't even realise what/who they're voting for? Similar for all of the Sun readers who voted Tory because their beloved newspaper told them to, only to regret it once they experienced the ramifications. For example, their “Pocket Guide to Immigration” promises to “end support for multiculturalism" What the hell does that even mean?! How will they achieve that?! Are there women voting UKIP in this country?! Ukip’s ONLY female MEP left (at the time Sinclaire was sacked) Marta Andreasen, recently left the party, labelling Farage as an “anti-women Stalinist dictator” whose view is that “women should be in the kitchen or in the bedroom”. Anyway I could moan about them all day, UKIP openly describe themselves as “a libertarian, non-racist party”. Nobody in the world (especially in politics) should have to point out the fact that they're not racist. I just wish people would learn a bit before they open their mouth, or even worse before they take action like voting for this scum, or insult the people standing up to them with comments like those above. For the record, I'd actually describe my own political stance as 'right of centre', although I'm sure you'll all take pleasure in calling me a 'lefty loon' too! Mick E
  • Score: -26

4:56pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Mick E says...

And just to add to the above, it's important to mention that the EFD is now the EFDD, Chaired by Nigel Farage (who else?) made up of 48 members, 24 of whom are UKIP members.
And just to add to the above, it's important to mention that the EFD is now the EFDD, Chaired by Nigel Farage (who else?) made up of 48 members, 24 of whom are UKIP members. Mick E
  • Score: 4

5:35pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

Well Mick, your vocabulary is pure left, so if you've voted Conservative since 1970, as I have, you must have been keeping some bad company lately. If I were you I'd let Tanner and his teenies do their own work. They'll do perfectly well without you. Disaffected old Conservatives might just , possibly, consider they were lied to by their Party prior to the "Common Market" referendum. I do. Don't you?
Well Mick, your vocabulary is pure left, so if you've voted Conservative since 1970, as I have, you must have been keeping some bad company lately. If I were you I'd let Tanner and his teenies do their own work. They'll do perfectly well without you. Disaffected old Conservatives might just , possibly, consider they were lied to by their Party prior to the "Common Market" referendum. I do. Don't you? Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 4

6:34pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Lucky Lucretia says...

A bunch of elitist fools from a bunch of elitist parties attempting to fend off a peasants revolt. Pathetic patronizing twaddle!

- VOTE UKIP -
A bunch of elitist fools from a bunch of elitist parties attempting to fend off a peasants revolt. Pathetic patronizing twaddle! - VOTE UKIP - Lucky Lucretia
  • Score: 28

6:52pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Lucky Lucretia says...

LABOUR'S BETRAYAL AND THE APPEAL OF UKIP -

This was posted on the Congleton Guardian site and explains why so many of Britain's working class and trades people are deserting Labour to vote Ukip:

"Labour, under the leadership of an out of touch metropolitan elite, turned it's back on the black, Asian and white working class of this country years ago. The people the Labour Movement was originally formed to protect have been left behind by the scourge of globalization which has benefited only a spoilt elite. Gone is the sense of social justice that was 'a given' when I was at University. Now we have a new breed of 'I'm all right Jack' graduates growing up under successive pro-European governments who care little for the working class upon which this country depends.

With EU net migration adding more than 200,000 workers to Britain's population annually (the size of a large conurbation!), the jobs and trades of hard working Britons are under threat like never before. In the last century Labour sought to protect the working man from harmful competition from migrant workers but now, with it's colours pinned firmly to the mast of the European dream, they will do nothing. The Labour leadership and their families will never be harmed by migrant labour in the same way as the working class and their children's job prospects are being harmed. My father who was a hard working shop steward would be horrified at what the Labour Party has become."
LABOUR'S BETRAYAL AND THE APPEAL OF UKIP - This was posted on the Congleton Guardian site and explains why so many of Britain's working class and trades people are deserting Labour to vote Ukip: "Labour, under the leadership of an out of touch metropolitan elite, turned it's back on the black, Asian and white working class of this country years ago. The people the Labour Movement was originally formed to protect have been left behind by the scourge of globalization which has benefited only a spoilt elite. Gone is the sense of social justice that was 'a given' when I was at University. Now we have a new breed of 'I'm all right Jack' graduates growing up under successive pro-European governments who care little for the working class upon which this country depends. With EU net migration adding more than 200,000 workers to Britain's population annually (the size of a large conurbation!), the jobs and trades of hard working Britons are under threat like never before. In the last century Labour sought to protect the working man from harmful competition from migrant workers but now, with it's colours pinned firmly to the mast of the European dream, they will do nothing. The Labour leadership and their families will never be harmed by migrant labour in the same way as the working class and their children's job prospects are being harmed. My father who was a hard working shop steward would be horrified at what the Labour Party has become." Lucky Lucretia
  • Score: 33

7:35pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Lucky Lucretia says...

Mick E, asks, (in the typically irritating and patronizing tone some men can't help themselves adopting)," Are there women voting UKIP in this country?"

Yes millions of us including me and UKIP's 7 women MEPs - Margot Parker, Julia Reid, Jane Collins, Louise Bours, Jill Seymour, Janice Atkinson and Diane James!
Mick E, asks, (in the typically irritating and patronizing tone some men can't help themselves adopting)," Are there women voting UKIP in this country?" Yes millions of us including me and UKIP's 7 women MEPs - Margot Parker, Julia Reid, Jane Collins, Louise Bours, Jill Seymour, Janice Atkinson and Diane James! Lucky Lucretia
  • Score: 29

10:34pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Emmett Jenner says...

In response to MarkE.

P1. Many people support UKIP because they believe precisely the opposite. That UKIP represents the truth. People who call this scaremongering use that word because they have very little else. You could not possibly have seen the UKIP manifesto because it isn't public yet? Not until September. When you criticise it like this, before it has been released, are you just hoping people won't notice that you're making comments on a document you've not seen, let alone read?

P2. You can say whatever you want about the EFD. 2 things. 1. The EU deliberately create this structure to weaken national identity by insisting that groups have members from 7 countries. As UKIP supports this country the structure is intentionally geared against UKIP and the fact that EFD was even able to form was pretty miraculous. 2. The EU parliament provide through speaking time and funding a massive advantage to parties who join groups. It is essential that UKIP is a member of a group. EEFD is more than half UKIP. That's because other parties are only added to make sure we have members from 7 countries so UKIP qualifies to form a group. The other parties are grateful that they get the chance to join a group as it is seriously advantageous to be a member of a group. When you are isolated and marginalised for not being a member of a group there is absolutely no point in being there. That wouldn't be appropriate for the biggest UK party at the EU. Nikki left in 2010, she wasn't expelled, as in 'active' from UKIP, she left, as in active from her side. After falling out with the party she decided she would be better off from her own point of view to separate herself from UKIP. Her choice.

P3. Guilt by association quite simply does not apply in this case. UKIP is a UK based party which isn't responsible for what activists from other parties in other countries say. UKIP is forced to form a group in the EU parliament in exchange for speaking time and funding. Without being members of a group there is no point in being there so it has to be done.

With our position becoming increasingly popular in Europe it has been much easier for UKIP to form a group this time. Today we've got to the stage where the EU does not even follow it's own rules and grant EEFD leadership of any committees.

P4, Women voting UKIP in this country? You must be insane to be asking that? Half of my local branch are women. We have 7 new female MEPs, All elected on merit rather than according to false quotas. I'm confident you could NEVER find any evidence at all to show any bias in favour of men above women in UKIP. I'm confident that through merit alone, women in UKIP are represented equally or above what you'd find in any other party.
In response to MarkE. P1. Many people support UKIP because they believe precisely the opposite. That UKIP represents the truth. People who call this scaremongering use that word because they have very little else. You could not possibly have seen the UKIP manifesto because it isn't public yet? Not until September. When you criticise it like this, before it has been released, are you just hoping people won't notice that you're making comments on a document you've not seen, let alone read? P2. You can say whatever you want about the EFD. 2 things. 1. The EU deliberately create this structure to weaken national identity by insisting that groups have members from 7 countries. As UKIP supports this country the structure is intentionally geared against UKIP and the fact that EFD was even able to form was pretty miraculous. 2. The EU parliament provide through speaking time and funding a massive advantage to parties who join groups. It is essential that UKIP is a member of a group. EEFD is more than half UKIP. That's because other parties are only added to make sure we have members from 7 countries so UKIP qualifies to form a group. The other parties are grateful that they get the chance to join a group as it is seriously advantageous to be a member of a group. When you are isolated and marginalised for not being a member of a group there is absolutely no point in being there. That wouldn't be appropriate for the biggest UK party at the EU. Nikki left in 2010, she wasn't expelled, as in 'active' from UKIP, she left, as in active from her side. After falling out with the party she decided she would be better off from her own point of view to separate herself from UKIP. Her choice. P3. Guilt by association quite simply does not apply in this case. UKIP is a UK based party which isn't responsible for what activists from other parties in other countries say. UKIP is forced to form a group in the EU parliament in exchange for speaking time and funding. Without being members of a group there is no point in being there so it has to be done. With our position becoming increasingly popular in Europe it has been much easier for UKIP to form a group this time. Today we've got to the stage where the EU does not even follow it's own rules and grant EEFD leadership of any committees. P4, Women voting UKIP in this country? You must be insane to be asking that? Half of my local branch are women. We have 7 new female MEPs, All elected on merit rather than according to false quotas. I'm confident you could NEVER find any evidence at all to show any bias in favour of men above women in UKIP. I'm confident that through merit alone, women in UKIP are represented equally or above what you'd find in any other party. Emmett Jenner
  • Score: 21

3:09pm Thu 24 Jul 14

The New Private Eye says...

Labour and the Con/Dems now rely on the immigrant vote to keep or help them into power, they have bribed them with Council/social housing to the exclusion of local people all over the country, they have set up help groups for them, but not for locals etc,etc,. Now that UKIP are a reasonable force in UK politics , the main parties are running scared and with the election a year away need to start the slurs. It will work with the type of person that believes that kind of thing but not with the educated voter. And it is quite apt that Tanner is the main protagonist because it is his council that gave all of Ryder Close to immigrants while ignoring those of us that have lived all of our lives in Oxford. You should be ashamed at your racist selection policy Mr Tanner. Was the first criteria to getting a house there that you cannot speak English, and was not born within a thousand miles of Oxford?
Labour and the Con/Dems now rely on the immigrant vote to keep or help them into power, they have bribed them with Council/social housing to the exclusion of local people all over the country, they have set up help groups for them, but not for locals etc,etc,. Now that UKIP are a reasonable force in UK politics , the main parties are running scared and with the election a year away need to start the slurs. It will work with the type of person that believes that kind of thing but not with the educated voter. And it is quite apt that Tanner is the main protagonist because it is his council that gave all of Ryder Close to immigrants while ignoring those of us that have lived all of our lives in Oxford. You should be ashamed at your racist selection policy Mr Tanner. Was the first criteria to getting a house there that you cannot speak English, and was not born within a thousand miles of Oxford? The New Private Eye
  • Score: 11

3:17pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

"Labour and the Con/Dems now rely on the immigrant vote to keep or help them into power"
No. The recent (25 years) immigrants either vote Labour or, in London and Birmingham they vote for whoever the imam puts a cross against on their postal voting paper (usually Labour, but could be Respect)
"Labour and the Con/Dems now rely on the immigrant vote to keep or help them into power" No. The recent (25 years) immigrants either vote Labour or, in London and Birmingham they vote for whoever the imam puts a cross against on their postal voting paper (usually Labour, but could be Respect) Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 2

5:03pm Thu 24 Jul 14

The New Private Eye says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
"Labour and the Con/Dems now rely on the immigrant vote to keep or help them into power"
No. The recent (25 years) immigrants either vote Labour or, in London and Birmingham they vote for whoever the imam puts a cross against on their postal voting paper (usually Labour, but could be Respect)
Yep it was G.G. for a couple of elections, and I remember about 6ish years ago sending you a pic of the parking signs in his constituency with no English writing on them.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: "Labour and the Con/Dems now rely on the immigrant vote to keep or help them into power" No. The recent (25 years) immigrants either vote Labour or, in London and Birmingham they vote for whoever the imam puts a cross against on their postal voting paper (usually Labour, but could be Respect)[/p][/quote]Yep it was G.G. for a couple of elections, and I remember about 6ish years ago sending you a pic of the parking signs in his constituency with no English writing on them. The New Private Eye
  • Score: 3

11:03am Fri 25 Jul 14

yabbadabbadoo256 says...

Mick E wrote:
The comments above, especially Emmetts (Lord Palmerstone obviously holds racist, misogynist views as evidenced by all of his comments on this sort of subject so doesn't really deserve acknowledgement) , demonstrate the blind ignorance of some people in this country. UKIP rely on the people like those commenters above to spread fear and insecurity & to increase the popularity of their party. Their policy manifesto looks like something drawn up by a seven year old under the heading "twenty things that annoy my Granddad." Judging by comments above, their strategy seems to be working a treat. I hope none of you would want these guys running the country.

The EFD (Europe of Freedom and Democracy) Group, of which UKIP was a key player, was a dangerous extreme right wing group with definite Neo-Nazi connections, mostly under the guise of 'politicians'.You may or may not be aware that MEP Nikki Sinclaire was expelled from UKIP for refusing to be part of the EFD, as she didn't agree with their extreme views. These include views such as those expressed by Mario Borghezio (pretty much Farage's Italian equivalent in work terms, right wing politician and an MEP), when he said this:
"Long live the Whites of Europe, long live our identity, our ethnicity, our race… our blue sky, like the eyes of our women. Blue, in a people who want to stay white."
Now some may argue that's anything from patriotic to racist in the extreme. Whatever your argument, I'm sure we're all agreed that's not the way forward for politics in any country or state, these backwards, frightening, damaging statements that come out of the EFD do nothing but stir hatred, fear & anger.
A lot of people are talking about democracy, does it even exist if people don't even realise what/who they're voting for? Similar for all of the Sun readers who voted Tory because their beloved newspaper told them to, only to regret it once they experienced the ramifications.
For example, their “Pocket Guide to Immigration” promises to “end support for multiculturalism" What the hell does that even mean?! How will they achieve that?!
Are there women voting UKIP in this country?!
Ukip’s ONLY female MEP left (at the time Sinclaire was sacked) Marta Andreasen, recently left the party, labelling Farage as an “anti-women Stalinist dictator” whose view is that “women should be in the kitchen or in the bedroom”.
Anyway I could moan about them all day, UKIP openly describe themselves as “a libertarian, non-racist party”. Nobody in the world (especially in politics) should have to point out the fact that they're not racist.
I just wish people would learn a bit before they open their mouth, or even worse before they take action like voting for this scum, or insult the people standing up to them with comments like those above.
For the record, I'd actually describe my own political stance as 'right of centre', although I'm sure you'll all take pleasure in calling me a 'lefty loon' too!
Ahh a little bit of inaccuracy there my friend.. At the last election there is no less than SEVEN Female UKIP MEP's - http://www.ukip.org/
people_meps
[quote][p][bold]Mick E[/bold] wrote: The comments above, especially Emmetts (Lord Palmerstone obviously holds racist, misogynist views as evidenced by all of his comments on this sort of subject so doesn't really deserve acknowledgement) , demonstrate the blind ignorance of some people in this country. UKIP rely on the people like those commenters above to spread fear and insecurity & to increase the popularity of their party. Their policy manifesto looks like something drawn up by a seven year old under the heading "twenty things that annoy my Granddad." Judging by comments above, their strategy seems to be working a treat. I hope none of you would want these guys running the country. The EFD (Europe of Freedom and Democracy) Group, of which UKIP was a key player, was a dangerous extreme right wing group with definite Neo-Nazi connections, mostly under the guise of 'politicians'.You may or may not be aware that MEP Nikki Sinclaire was expelled from UKIP for refusing to be part of the EFD, as she didn't agree with their extreme views. These include views such as those expressed by Mario Borghezio (pretty much Farage's Italian equivalent in work terms, right wing politician and an MEP), when he said this: "Long live the Whites of Europe, long live our identity, our ethnicity, our race… our blue sky, like the eyes of our women. Blue, in a people who want to stay white." Now some may argue that's anything from patriotic to racist in the extreme. Whatever your argument, I'm sure we're all agreed that's not the way forward for politics in any country or state, these backwards, frightening, damaging statements that come out of the EFD do nothing but stir hatred, fear & anger. A lot of people are talking about democracy, does it even exist if people don't even realise what/who they're voting for? Similar for all of the Sun readers who voted Tory because their beloved newspaper told them to, only to regret it once they experienced the ramifications. For example, their “Pocket Guide to Immigration” promises to “end support for multiculturalism" What the hell does that even mean?! How will they achieve that?! Are there women voting UKIP in this country?! Ukip’s ONLY female MEP left (at the time Sinclaire was sacked) Marta Andreasen, recently left the party, labelling Farage as an “anti-women Stalinist dictator” whose view is that “women should be in the kitchen or in the bedroom”. Anyway I could moan about them all day, UKIP openly describe themselves as “a libertarian, non-racist party”. Nobody in the world (especially in politics) should have to point out the fact that they're not racist. I just wish people would learn a bit before they open their mouth, or even worse before they take action like voting for this scum, or insult the people standing up to them with comments like those above. For the record, I'd actually describe my own political stance as 'right of centre', although I'm sure you'll all take pleasure in calling me a 'lefty loon' too![/p][/quote]Ahh a little bit of inaccuracy there my friend.. At the last election there is no less than SEVEN Female UKIP MEP's - http://www.ukip.org/ people_meps yabbadabbadoo256
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11:34am Fri 25 Jul 14

thomashenry says...

There are two good thing about UKIP:

1. It's that it's destroyed the BNP vote by presenting a less extreme version of the same thing.

2. It splits the Tory vote.
There are two good thing about UKIP: 1. It's that it's destroyed the BNP vote by presenting a less extreme version of the same thing. 2. It splits the Tory vote. thomashenry
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12:14pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

thomashenry wrote:
There are two good thing about UKIP:

1. It's that it's destroyed the BNP vote by presenting a less extreme version of the same thing.

2. It splits the Tory vote.
And with any luck it'll damage the Labour vote in areas where people actually think about things.
[quote][p][bold]thomashenry[/bold] wrote: There are two good thing about UKIP: 1. It's that it's destroyed the BNP vote by presenting a less extreme version of the same thing. 2. It splits the Tory vote.[/p][/quote]And with any luck it'll damage the Labour vote in areas where people actually think about things. Lord Palmerstone
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2:56pm Fri 25 Jul 14

thomashenry says...

It'll be interesting to see what will happen to UKIP after the Euro membership referendum has taken place and, and the public have voted to stay in.
It'll be interesting to see what will happen to UKIP after the Euro membership referendum has taken place and, and the public have voted to stay in. thomashenry
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3:40pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

thomashenry wrote:
It'll be interesting to see what will happen to UKIP after the Euro membership referendum has taken place and, and the public have voted to stay in.
Yes, but don't hold your breath waiting for that. I think it more likely the EU will implode first like the Soviet Union and the Caliphate since all autocracies tend to do that, eventually.
[quote][p][bold]thomashenry[/bold] wrote: It'll be interesting to see what will happen to UKIP after the Euro membership referendum has taken place and, and the public have voted to stay in.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't hold your breath waiting for that. I think it more likely the EU will implode first like the Soviet Union and the Caliphate since all autocracies tend to do that, eventually. Lord Palmerstone
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10:07am Sat 26 Jul 14

saddletramp says...

thomashenry wrote:
It'll be interesting to see what will happen to UKIP after the Euro membership referendum has taken place and, and the public have voted to stay in.
If a " yes vote" in a do we stay in the EU referendum,was even a remote possibility,Labour and the Tories would have at least considered it.
It isn't,so they haven't.
Latest bookies odds on the result of a referendum,16/1 yes,1/20 no.
[quote][p][bold]thomashenry[/bold] wrote: It'll be interesting to see what will happen to UKIP after the Euro membership referendum has taken place and, and the public have voted to stay in.[/p][/quote]If a " yes vote" in a do we stay in the EU referendum,was even a remote possibility,Labour and the Tories would have at least considered it. It isn't,so they haven't. Latest bookies odds on the result of a referendum,16/1 yes,1/20 no. saddletramp
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1:48pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Wedge says...

Tanner and his lefty cronies have been a problem in Oxford and district for many years, If you really want to see what Nigel Farage and UKIP are about go to his Canadian Speech on Youtube. And Mike E - you need to take your medication more often.
Tanner and his lefty cronies have been a problem in Oxford and district for many years, If you really want to see what Nigel Farage and UKIP are about go to his Canadian Speech on Youtube. And Mike E - you need to take your medication more often. Wedge
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2:06am Tue 29 Jul 14

gans shakes says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
How wonderful-back to "Way of the World" and Peter Simple circa 1990 and rival meetings of the Our Jackie Onassis Fan Club and the Anti Our Jackie Onassis Fan Club at neighbouring workmen's halls in the Stretchford Conurbation
I have a teeny weeny feeling though, that this extreme left shindig will change few voting sentiments. You see folks, the loony left will be talking to itself again. But if that's what it takes to keep it off the streets and blocking the traffic, bring it on!
And the CON-servatives have acted in the interests of the United Kingdom the vote by handing out Benefits to the Bankers? How many off-shore accounts do you use, Mr Palmerstone? How many immigrants have entered onto our country last year, when the CON-DEMNED Coalition promised a drop to the 'tens of thousands' in the Manifesto? 260,000 and rising?

Why are the largest outlays of the Benefits programme go to Pensions, Housing Benefits, the failed WRAG programme, and the intentionally rigged WCA, filled with human rights abuses and a quota system? The figures have proven that, in spite of the negative propaganda, Sanctions, Appeals with no Legal Aid assistance, and delays that are forcing many to take their lives. The results? No changes in the numbers that are Disabled? What does the UKIP plan to do about the 500,000 families going to Food Banks?

The truth is that UKIP is a one-hit wonder. There are no progressive parties standing for Parliament, and we are weeks away from a vote that will win Independence for Scotland. Who will be next? Wales? The North of England? Northern Ireland? Cornwall? Independence has many definitions and results, Mr Palmerstone. Better be careful of what you wish for!
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: How wonderful-back to "Way of the World" and Peter Simple circa 1990 and rival meetings of the Our Jackie Onassis Fan Club and the Anti Our Jackie Onassis Fan Club at neighbouring workmen's halls in the Stretchford Conurbation I have a teeny weeny feeling though, that this extreme left shindig will change few voting sentiments. You see folks, the loony left will be talking to itself again. But if that's what it takes to keep it off the streets and blocking the traffic, bring it on![/p][/quote]And the CON-servatives have acted in the interests of the United Kingdom the vote by handing out Benefits to the Bankers? How many off-shore accounts do you use, Mr Palmerstone? How many immigrants have entered onto our country last year, when the CON-DEMNED Coalition promised a drop to the 'tens of thousands' in the Manifesto? 260,000 and rising? Why are the largest outlays of the Benefits programme go to Pensions, Housing Benefits, the failed WRAG programme, and the intentionally rigged WCA, filled with human rights abuses and a quota system? The figures have proven that, in spite of the negative propaganda, Sanctions, Appeals with no Legal Aid assistance, and delays that are forcing many to take their lives. The results? No changes in the numbers that are Disabled? What does the UKIP plan to do about the 500,000 families going to Food Banks? The truth is that UKIP is a one-hit wonder. There are no progressive parties standing for Parliament, and we are weeks away from a vote that will win Independence for Scotland. Who will be next? Wales? The North of England? Northern Ireland? Cornwall? Independence has many definitions and results, Mr Palmerstone. Better be careful of what you wish for! gans shakes
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6:54pm Tue 29 Jul 14

kiddyboy says...

VOTE UKIP....kick these fascists into touch
VOTE UKIP....kick these fascists into touch kiddyboy
  • Score: 4

9:37am Wed 30 Jul 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

gans shakes wrote:
Lord Palmerstone wrote:
How wonderful-back to "Way of the World" and Peter Simple circa 1990 and rival meetings of the Our Jackie Onassis Fan Club and the Anti Our Jackie Onassis Fan Club at neighbouring workmen's halls in the Stretchford Conurbation
I have a teeny weeny feeling though, that this extreme left shindig will change few voting sentiments. You see folks, the loony left will be talking to itself again. But if that's what it takes to keep it off the streets and blocking the traffic, bring it on!
And the CON-servatives have acted in the interests of the United Kingdom the vote by handing out Benefits to the Bankers? How many off-shore accounts do you use, Mr Palmerstone? How many immigrants have entered onto our country last year, when the CON-DEMNED Coalition promised a drop to the 'tens of thousands' in the Manifesto? 260,000 and rising?

Why are the largest outlays of the Benefits programme go to Pensions, Housing Benefits, the failed WRAG programme, and the intentionally rigged WCA, filled with human rights abuses and a quota system? The figures have proven that, in spite of the negative propaganda, Sanctions, Appeals with no Legal Aid assistance, and delays that are forcing many to take their lives. The results? No changes in the numbers that are Disabled? What does the UKIP plan to do about the 500,000 families going to Food Banks?

The truth is that UKIP is a one-hit wonder. There are no progressive parties standing for Parliament, and we are weeks away from a vote that will win Independence for Scotland. Who will be next? Wales? The North of England? Northern Ireland? Cornwall? Independence has many definitions and results, Mr Palmerstone. Better be careful of what you wish for!
"There are no progressive parties standing for Parliament" By "their" (the left's) definition "progressive" means open door immigration, so I'm not quite sure where you're coming from. I don't have any off shore accounts and. like you (although you purport to believe the opposite), was grateful that my current and savings account weren't wiped out
[quote][p][bold]gans shakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: How wonderful-back to "Way of the World" and Peter Simple circa 1990 and rival meetings of the Our Jackie Onassis Fan Club and the Anti Our Jackie Onassis Fan Club at neighbouring workmen's halls in the Stretchford Conurbation I have a teeny weeny feeling though, that this extreme left shindig will change few voting sentiments. You see folks, the loony left will be talking to itself again. But if that's what it takes to keep it off the streets and blocking the traffic, bring it on![/p][/quote]And the CON-servatives have acted in the interests of the United Kingdom the vote by handing out Benefits to the Bankers? How many off-shore accounts do you use, Mr Palmerstone? How many immigrants have entered onto our country last year, when the CON-DEMNED Coalition promised a drop to the 'tens of thousands' in the Manifesto? 260,000 and rising? Why are the largest outlays of the Benefits programme go to Pensions, Housing Benefits, the failed WRAG programme, and the intentionally rigged WCA, filled with human rights abuses and a quota system? The figures have proven that, in spite of the negative propaganda, Sanctions, Appeals with no Legal Aid assistance, and delays that are forcing many to take their lives. The results? No changes in the numbers that are Disabled? What does the UKIP plan to do about the 500,000 families going to Food Banks? The truth is that UKIP is a one-hit wonder. There are no progressive parties standing for Parliament, and we are weeks away from a vote that will win Independence for Scotland. Who will be next? Wales? The North of England? Northern Ireland? Cornwall? Independence has many definitions and results, Mr Palmerstone. Better be careful of what you wish for![/p][/quote]"There are no progressive parties standing for Parliament" By "their" (the left's) definition "progressive" means open door immigration, so I'm not quite sure where you're coming from. I don't have any off shore accounts and. like you (although you purport to believe the opposite), was grateful that my current and savings account weren't wiped out Lord Palmerstone
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