City’s store crossing demand ‘will mean more congestion’

thisisoxfordshire: An artist’s impression of the planned Botley Road Waitrose An artist’s impression of the planned Botley Road Waitrose

CONGESTION around a future Botley Road supermarket will be worsened by a new pedestrian crossing, transport bosses have warned.

Oxford City Council approved plans for a 24,500sq ft Waitrose store by five votes to two.

But councillors imposed a condition that before the store can open, a pedestrian crossing must be built nearby to help local residents and people using buses.

If Oxfordshire County Council does not approve a crossing, it could prevent the store being opened.

Waitrose has the option to appeal against the condition, which city council officers advised councillors not to impose.

County cabinet member for transport David Nimmo-Smith said the crossing was almost certain to increase congestion on the already-busy Botley Road.

He said: “I can understand why people would want to put a crossing there.

“But I think it is likely to slow the traffic flow on that road, because you have to consider that the new Waitrose is likely to draw more vehicles than [previous store] Halfords did.

“Our officers will investigate the impact of a crossing when plans are presented.

“We are also looking at traffic across the city, including how the Westgate development will change things, as well as the improvements to Frideswide Square.

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“The crossing will have an impact and so we will need to consider how to deal with that. Unfortunately the Botley Road is the Botley Road and so we are limited in how much we can do.”

Depending on how quickly Waitrose submitted plans for a crossing, Mr Nimmo-Smith said, the work could be completed before the store opens next year.

He added: “I don’t see why it couldn’t be finished by then. It’s certainly not insurmountable.”

Waitrose is aiming to open its store next year, but under current arrangements must first submit plans for, and fund, the new crossing.

Spokesman James Armstrong said the supermarket chain was pleased with the approval, but would have to review the conditions laid down.

Oxfordshire County Council would have to approve any plans submitted for any pedestrian crossing before it was be built.

The plans for the store were approved at a city council meeting on Wednesday night.

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Bus Users Oxford spokes-man Hugh Jaeger, above, said: “Obviously it is good to have more crossings, for bus users and for local people. But congestion pushes up bus operator costs and my concern for passengers is that the extra traffic the store will create will adversely affect running times.”

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6:55am Mon 12 May 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

There's probably enough space there to build an overbridge instead - just like the new one at Tubbs Lane in Bicester.
There's probably enough space there to build an overbridge instead - just like the new one at Tubbs Lane in Bicester. Andrew:Oxford
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9:27am Mon 12 May 14

EMBOX2 says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
There's probably enough space there to build an overbridge instead - just like the new one at Tubbs Lane in Bicester.
Too expensive, and then you have the nightmare of planning for it. I don't think a crossing will make much difference to traffic, but make it a zebra rather than traffic light controlled.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: There's probably enough space there to build an overbridge instead - just like the new one at Tubbs Lane in Bicester.[/p][/quote]Too expensive, and then you have the nightmare of planning for it. I don't think a crossing will make much difference to traffic, but make it a zebra rather than traffic light controlled. EMBOX2
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12:19pm Mon 12 May 14

King Joke says...

A crossing won't make a blind bit of difference to traffic, which is constrained by Frideswide Square, but it will make a difference to customers at the new supermarket who need somewhere to cross.
A crossing won't make a blind bit of difference to traffic, which is constrained by Frideswide Square, but it will make a difference to customers at the new supermarket who need somewhere to cross. King Joke
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1:31pm Mon 12 May 14

icba1957 says...

Why is a new crossing even needed? There's already one about 50 yards further towards Botley outside the launderette, and the bus gate lights about 10 yards nearer town.
There are already six sets of lights between the bus gate and Frideswide Square, so surely they should all be looked at in conjunction and rationalised?
Why is a new crossing even needed? There's already one about 50 yards further towards Botley outside the launderette, and the bus gate lights about 10 yards nearer town. There are already six sets of lights between the bus gate and Frideswide Square, so surely they should all be looked at in conjunction and rationalised? icba1957
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1:35pm Mon 12 May 14

King Joke says...

If I come out of the supermarket and am going up a side street opposite, that is where I'll cross, irrespective of a nearby bus gate or crossing. If a new crossing at this point can be proven to be more useful to users than the existing ones, take one of them out by all means, but it won't make any difference to journey times, which are constrained by Frideswide Square.
If I come out of the supermarket and am going up a side street opposite, that is where I'll cross, irrespective of a nearby bus gate or crossing. If a new crossing at this point can be proven to be more useful to users than the existing ones, take one of them out by all means, but it won't make any difference to journey times, which are constrained by Frideswide Square. King Joke
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6:22pm Mon 12 May 14

xenarthra says...

Any pedestrian crossings is going to increase congestion immediately around the crossing: that's the whole point of them. It's not going to increase end-to-end travel times down Botley Road.
Any pedestrian crossings is going to increase congestion immediately around the crossing: that's the whole point of them. It's not going to increase end-to-end travel times down Botley Road. xenarthra
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8:13am Tue 13 May 14

King Joke says...

That's the point I was trying to make - but I didn't put it as well. The issue at stake is end-to-end journey times, which are constrained by the slowest parts, which are primarily Frideswide Sq and secondarily Ferry Hinksey lights. Any constrictions upstream of these will make little difference to end-to-end journey times.
That's the point I was trying to make - but I didn't put it as well. The issue at stake is end-to-end journey times, which are constrained by the slowest parts, which are primarily Frideswide Sq and secondarily Ferry Hinksey lights. Any constrictions upstream of these will make little difference to end-to-end journey times. King Joke
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6:57pm Tue 13 May 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

icba1957 wrote:
Why is a new crossing even needed? There's already one about 50 yards further towards Botley outside the launderette, and the bus gate lights about 10 yards nearer town.
There are already six sets of lights between the bus gate and Frideswide Square, so surely they should all be looked at in conjunction and rationalised?
Please stop thinking logically, you may cause some individuals from OCC to explode.
[quote][p][bold]icba1957[/bold] wrote: Why is a new crossing even needed? There's already one about 50 yards further towards Botley outside the launderette, and the bus gate lights about 10 yards nearer town. There are already six sets of lights between the bus gate and Frideswide Square, so surely they should all be looked at in conjunction and rationalised?[/p][/quote]Please stop thinking logically, you may cause some individuals from OCC to explode. Dilligaf2010
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10:02pm Tue 13 May 14

faatmaan says...

again we see the symptom being put before the cause, until Oxford council has the balls to stand up and be counted and enact meaningful road schemes that can deal with the general flow of traffic throughout Oxford the problems will not go away but deepen.
again we see the symptom being put before the cause, until Oxford council has the balls to stand up and be counted and enact meaningful road schemes that can deal with the general flow of traffic throughout Oxford the problems will not go away but deepen. faatmaan
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8:21am Wed 14 May 14

King Joke says...

You could build a D2 dual carriageway from Botley to Summertown along the Botley Rd-Frideswide Sq-Beaumont St-St Giles corridor and it would fill up within three years, prompting calls for a D3. 'Predict and provide' has been long discredited, and we really should be asking whether this corridor is appropriate for handling through traffic, just like we asked of the High St in the 1990s.

At any rate this crossing is being built to handle the flow of traffic - pedestrian traffic to a major trip generator in the form of a supermarket.
You could build a D2 dual carriageway from Botley to Summertown along the Botley Rd-Frideswide Sq-Beaumont St-St Giles corridor and it would fill up within three years, prompting calls for a D3. 'Predict and provide' has been long discredited, and we really should be asking whether this corridor is appropriate for handling through traffic, just like we asked of the High St in the 1990s. At any rate this crossing is being built to handle the flow of traffic - pedestrian traffic to a major trip generator in the form of a supermarket. King Joke
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