'Move to Birmingham' city council tells tenant in urgent need of housing

'Move to Birmingham' city council tells tenant in urgent need of housing

Elysha Britnell, with daughters Mya, two, and Lola, four months, is fighting eviction from her Cowley home and has refused the offer of a move to Birmingham

Lisamarie Richards, pictured with her children Charlie, 11, and Oscar, 22 months, and her mum Geri. She has been given a final offer of a home in Cheltenham

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PEOPLE in Oxford in urgent need of housing are being offered properties as far away as Cardiff and Birmingham by council officials.

Single mothers with nowhere permanent to live are among those who have been told they will have to relocate out of the county if they want city council help to find a house.

People on benefits who are being priced out of Oxford’s private rented market are having to turn to the council for assistance.

And officials say landlords are turning them down – leaving them with no choice but to sometimes look further afield for accommodation.

John McNulty, a solicitor for Oxford firm Turpin & Miller, is fighting to keep several families in the city and has accused city council officials of ‘dumping’ people outside the area.

A cap on benefits and changes in the law allowing councils to put people in private accommodation are behind the change – which has seen 12 families offered homes outside Oxfordshire in a year, four of whom have taken the offer.

Lawyers and council officials say more and more landlords in Oxford do not want people on benefits – so bosses are being forced to look further afield to find housing.

The Oxford Mail has been told that people are being offered properties in places such as Cardiff, Cheltenham and Birmingham.

Mother-of-two Elysha Britnell , 22, has been living in temporary accommodation controlled by the council in Cowley for two years, but was shocked when told she should move out of Oxford for the first time to live in Birmingham.

She is a full-time mum to two-year-old Mya and to Lola, who is four months old, and is on child support and income support. She has refused the Birmingham offer.

Mr McNulty says he is now appealing a decision to evict her from the accommodation and discharge her from the council’s care.

Miss Britnell said: “Lola has serious heart problems, so I need to be really close to a hospital for her.”

She says she has no family or friends outside of Oxford, and has never lived anywhere else.

She added: “I’m Oxford born and bred. If this appeal fails I’ll be completely homeless. I have got nowhere else to go. Even if I go to Birmingham, I may as well be homeless, because I have nobody there.”

Mr McNulty said that the most vulnerable people in the city are being abandoned by the city council and moved to places where they are alone.

Mr McNulty said: “There was a change in the law which now lets councils dump people. Now they can find people out-of-area placements and just discharge their duty to these people.”

Single mum-of-two Lisamarie Richards was offered homes in Birmingham and Cardiff, before she says she was given a final offer in Cheltenham.

She said she has until the end of the week to find somewhere else to live after her private landlord in Bampton Close, Littlemore, decided to sell his house.

Miss Richards, 32, said she spent months trying to find another home, but was priced out of the rental market.

Miss Richards, mother to Charlie, 11, and Oscar, one, said: “I will have no-one. I’ve never lived out of Oxford.

“It is heartbreaking to watch my son come home from school at night and cry.”

Miss Richards – who has child support and income support benefits – also said she helps care for her mum Geri Richards, who lives in Blackbird Leys and suffers from the lung disease emphysema.

Mrs Richards, 57, said: “It has got really, really ridiculous.”

  • How the law has changed:
  • The Localism Act 2011 has two key changes that mean Oxford City Council can offer people accommodation out of the city.
  • Councils can now place homeless people in the private rental sector, so long as they have a contract of at least 12 months.
  • Many private landlords are refusing to accept people on benefits, so councils can be forced to look to other cities.
  • The law also now lets the council “discharge the main homelessness duty” to find an applicant accommodation if the applicant “refuses an offer of accommodation which the authority is satisfied is suitable”.
  • It can now discharge that duty of care without the applicant’s agreement.

Mr McNulty says cases of people being offered homes outside the county are becoming increasingly common.

He said: “We’ve been seeing more and more people in this situation. Since December we’ve had eight cases.”

Scott Seamons, Oxford City Council’s board member for housing, blamed the cap on housing benefit.

He said: “Due to cuts in the Local Housing Allowance, it’s become increasingly difficult to place people with private landlords in Oxford.

“There’s too much choice for landlords, so they’re refusing people on benefits.”

He added: “Our first choice is absolutely to keep people in Oxford. I don’t want to see people being pushed out of the city. We’re doing what we can to build new houses. It’s the only way we’re really going to be able to make a difference.”

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9:30am Wed 12 Mar 14

Quentin Walker says...

I sympathise with the plight of anyone in this position. However, in this time of financial stress, people should not only look to their rights but also to their responsibilities. Where are the fathers of these children? Are they paying their share towards upkeep?

In the not too distant past, the State picked up all the costs, now the State is having to spread its budget thinner.

Sad though it is, market forces dominate, rightly or wrongly. If suitable accommodation cannot be found in Oxford then moving is the only option if the families are to be adequately housed whilst unable to help themselves.
I sympathise with the plight of anyone in this position. However, in this time of financial stress, people should not only look to their rights but also to their responsibilities. Where are the fathers of these children? Are they paying their share towards upkeep? In the not too distant past, the State picked up all the costs, now the State is having to spread its budget thinner. Sad though it is, market forces dominate, rightly or wrongly. If suitable accommodation cannot be found in Oxford then moving is the only option if the families are to be adequately housed whilst unable to help themselves. Quentin Walker
  • Score: 45

9:32am Wed 12 Mar 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

Once the E-W link opens, it'll be quicker to travel from Bletchley & Milton Keynes or Aylesbury to central Oxford than it will be to travel from Barton or the Leys. This will open up a whole new opportunity for cheaper rental housing.

There is nothing wrong with moving somewhere else to find work or accommodation though.

Thousands of people come to Oxford to work, and know nobody here before they arrive and make new friends.
Once the E-W link opens, it'll be quicker to travel from Bletchley & Milton Keynes or Aylesbury to central Oxford than it will be to travel from Barton or the Leys. This will open up a whole new opportunity for cheaper rental housing. There is nothing wrong with moving somewhere else to find work or accommodation though. Thousands of people come to Oxford to work, and know nobody here before they arrive and make new friends. Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 29

10:34am Wed 12 Mar 14

Canismajoris says...

Take the offer of the house, the council has done all the leg work you will get help with moving costs and have a chance of a whole fresh start.
What is wrong with people I do not get it?
Take the offer of the house, the council has done all the leg work you will get help with moving costs and have a chance of a whole fresh start. What is wrong with people I do not get it? Canismajoris
  • Score: 24

11:00am Wed 12 Mar 14

dallygirl says...

I think its disgusting that families with no ties elsewhere have to move!
Keep them where they are for now then when the new houses are built move them there!
Asylum seekers and immigrants seem to get council houses at the drop of the hat!! I know cos I live near a few! Keep Oxonians in the town that they were born in! Their families and support networks are here.
It should be everyones CHOICE to move out of the town where they were born not forced!
I think its disgusting that families with no ties elsewhere have to move! Keep them where they are for now then when the new houses are built move them there! Asylum seekers and immigrants seem to get council houses at the drop of the hat!! I know cos I live near a few! Keep Oxonians in the town that they were born in! Their families and support networks are here. It should be everyones CHOICE to move out of the town where they were born not forced! dallygirl
  • Score: -28

11:25am Wed 12 Mar 14

Oflife says...

Good old liberal policies in action: Free housing for single parent families, = more breading of people who will continue to be ward of state. Where is the father? Who is earning the money?

Time for some ultra conservative thinking here. Works for animals, will work for us. Nothing better for the character than having to work hard to pay your way.
Good old liberal policies in action: Free housing for single parent families, = more breading of people who will continue to be ward of state. Where is the father? Who is earning the money? Time for some ultra conservative thinking here. Works for animals, will work for us. Nothing better for the character than having to work hard to pay your way. Oflife
  • Score: 26

11:37am Wed 12 Mar 14

Louise Capstick says...

It is hard enough being a parent of young children with health problems; adding in isolation due to enforced relocation is not going to improve the life chances of this family. We need to look after vulnerable families.
It is hard enough being a parent of young children with health problems; adding in isolation due to enforced relocation is not going to improve the life chances of this family. We need to look after vulnerable families. Louise Capstick
  • Score: -19

12:04pm Wed 12 Mar 14

SayWhat??? says...

I love the fact that everyone focuses on it being 'the fault of the family who refuse the offer of moving out of area' ... why do people always look past the blatant problem of fat cat landlords pricing the properties so expensive that people in need are being priced out of the city? Landlords refusing to house those in need of housing benefit. Empty houses being left to rot, whilst arguments are happening about where to build new houses!!!! What we have going on right now is social cleansing at its finest - we'll cut the maximum allowance to a BASIC HUMAN NEED such as housing, which means people living in an Affluent area will be forced out to less desirable, and poorer areas...

What a lot of these councils and government officials fail to realise, is that it is these people seen to be on the bottom, and not even worth basic human rights and needs, it is these people who keep the day to day running of towns and cities working. These are the people living hand to mouth, spending money on food and essentials daily, these are the people who once their children are at school will then go into work - sometimes unskilled work, but work that means day to day life can run. Cleaners, shop clerks, bin men - the list goes on. These workers are paid a pittance for the job they do, without the men at the top realising that without these workers, life would stop.

Take out the small cogs at the bottom of a machine, and the big cogs fall too. Its time we started supporting those people who need supporting, its time we took a stand and said 'enough is enough'...
I love the fact that everyone focuses on it being 'the fault of the family who refuse the offer of moving out of area' ... why do people always look past the blatant problem of fat cat landlords pricing the properties so expensive that people in need are being priced out of the city? Landlords refusing to house those in need of housing benefit. Empty houses being left to rot, whilst arguments are happening about where to build new houses!!!! What we have going on right now is social cleansing at its finest - we'll cut the maximum allowance to a BASIC HUMAN NEED such as housing, which means people living in an Affluent area will be forced out to less desirable, and poorer areas... What a lot of these councils and government officials fail to realise, is that it is these people seen to be on the bottom, and not even worth basic human rights and needs, it is these people who keep the day to day running of towns and cities working. These are the people living hand to mouth, spending money on food and essentials daily, these are the people who once their children are at school will then go into work - sometimes unskilled work, but work that means day to day life can run. Cleaners, shop clerks, bin men - the list goes on. These workers are paid a pittance for the job they do, without the men at the top realising that without these workers, life would stop. Take out the small cogs at the bottom of a machine, and the big cogs fall too. Its time we started supporting those people who need supporting, its time we took a stand and said 'enough is enough'... SayWhat???
  • Score: 6

12:10pm Wed 12 Mar 14

SayWhat??? says...

Oxford has been named the most expensive place to live in the country...How can this be right, that landlords can get away with charging so much for people to live here, that even people in full time work are being priced out of the town!!! Its ludicrous, it really is.........
Oxford has been named the most expensive place to live in the country...How can this be right, that landlords can get away with charging so much for people to live here, that even people in full time work are being priced out of the town!!! Its ludicrous, it really is......... SayWhat???
  • Score: 27

12:15pm Wed 12 Mar 14

King Joke says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
Once the E-W link opens, it'll be quicker to travel from Bletchley & Milton Keynes or Aylesbury to central Oxford than it will be to travel from Barton or the Leys. This will open up a whole new opportunity for cheaper rental housing.

There is nothing wrong with moving somewhere else to find work or accommodation though.

Thousands of people come to Oxford to work, and know nobody here before they arrive and make new friends.
EWR rail will open up more commuting opportunities, but it will never get you to central Oxford, as the station is about 1 km from the very central area. Rail fares are much higher than bus fares too, so it won't really be an alternative to living in one of Oxford's outer estates, especially if you consider MK and Aylesbury aren't that cheap either.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: Once the E-W link opens, it'll be quicker to travel from Bletchley & Milton Keynes or Aylesbury to central Oxford than it will be to travel from Barton or the Leys. This will open up a whole new opportunity for cheaper rental housing. There is nothing wrong with moving somewhere else to find work or accommodation though. Thousands of people come to Oxford to work, and know nobody here before they arrive and make new friends.[/p][/quote]EWR rail will open up more commuting opportunities, but it will never get you to central Oxford, as the station is about 1 km from the very central area. Rail fares are much higher than bus fares too, so it won't really be an alternative to living in one of Oxford's outer estates, especially if you consider MK and Aylesbury aren't that cheap either. King Joke
  • Score: 6

12:26pm Wed 12 Mar 14

mytaxes says...

SayWhat??? wrote:
Oxford has been named the most expensive place to live in the country...How can this be right, that landlords can get away with charging so much for people to live here, that even people in full time work are being priced out of the town!!! Its ludicrous, it really is.........
If you want to live in an expensive area you have to pay for it. I would like to live in the best parts of London but I can't afford it. If a full time working tax payer cannot afford to live in Oxford why should someone on benefits have the automatic right to live not only in Oxford but in the centre of the city as so many do?
[quote][p][bold]SayWhat???[/bold] wrote: Oxford has been named the most expensive place to live in the country...How can this be right, that landlords can get away with charging so much for people to live here, that even people in full time work are being priced out of the town!!! Its ludicrous, it really is.........[/p][/quote]If you want to live in an expensive area you have to pay for it. I would like to live in the best parts of London but I can't afford it. If a full time working tax payer cannot afford to live in Oxford why should someone on benefits have the automatic right to live not only in Oxford but in the centre of the city as so many do? mytaxes
  • Score: 24

12:52pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Geoff Roberts says...

The choice is move to Birmingham or make you and your family homeless.

It shouldn't be that way but it is.

It will not stop being that way until people and organisations with excess land (for example The Crown Estate) has that land seized and redistributed.

That will not happen.
The choice is move to Birmingham or make you and your family homeless. It shouldn't be that way but it is. It will not stop being that way until people and organisations with excess land (for example The Crown Estate) has that land seized and redistributed. That will not happen. Geoff Roberts
  • Score: -16

12:56pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Geoff Roberts says...

"why do people always look past the blatant problem of fat cat landlords pricing the properties so expensive that people in need are being priced out of the city?"

Because that's not what's happening here. Landlords are bound by paying off mortgages (or just interest too banks in some cases). There's no point entering into the lettings market if you aren't going to make some profit.

The council ideally need to buy up private land and turn it to affordable public use. That won't happen because the council is broke and is doing the opposite in order to stay afloat.
"why do people always look past the blatant problem of fat cat landlords pricing the properties so expensive that people in need are being priced out of the city?" Because that's not what's happening here. Landlords are bound by paying off mortgages (or just interest too banks in some cases). There's no point entering into the lettings market if you aren't going to make some profit. The council ideally need to buy up private land and turn it to affordable public use. That won't happen because the council is broke and is doing the opposite in order to stay afloat. Geoff Roberts
  • Score: 1

12:58pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Geoff Roberts says...

If there's no one to help this family in Oxford (?) then what is really tieing them to here? What is more important, a home for your family or living (possibly on the streets or on people's floors) in your home town?

There's no choice and no-one to blame.
If there's no one to help this family in Oxford (?) then what is really tieing them to here? What is more important, a home for your family or living (possibly on the streets or on people's floors) in your home town? There's no choice and no-one to blame. Geoff Roberts
  • Score: 10

2:19pm Wed 12 Mar 14

bewildered of oxford says...

Is it just me who is increasingly confused by the decisions of the City Council. Here we have proof that housing shortage is a critical issue. Only a few weeks back the Council fought a planning appeal against a housing development which was offering 65% plus of social housing. Their view was that as its wasnt a pre defined development site their policy is more important than desperatly needed housing. These people need to be answerable for their actions as opposed to failing in their duties as supposed "public servants". They are jobsworths interested in preserving only their own interests. Interesting that the Council will happily sell one of their own sites for housing even though Temple Cowley Pool is a community facility.
Is it just me who is increasingly confused by the decisions of the City Council. Here we have proof that housing shortage is a critical issue. Only a few weeks back the Council fought a planning appeal against a housing development which was offering 65% plus of social housing. Their view was that as its wasnt a pre defined development site their policy is more important than desperatly needed housing. These people need to be answerable for their actions as opposed to failing in their duties as supposed "public servants". They are jobsworths interested in preserving only their own interests. Interesting that the Council will happily sell one of their own sites for housing even though Temple Cowley Pool is a community facility. bewildered of oxford
  • Score: 12

3:58pm Wed 12 Mar 14

EMBOX2 says...

Maybe we should start building tower blocks again? But this time ones that are nicer to live in, not nasty brutalist 60s architecture and ones that smell like a council car park.
Maybe we should start building tower blocks again? But this time ones that are nicer to live in, not nasty brutalist 60s architecture and ones that smell like a council car park. EMBOX2
  • Score: 8

4:45pm Wed 12 Mar 14

JanetJ says...

Or presumably find a property within the Housing benefit band you are on within Oxford and stay in Oxford. Lots of folk I know who work in Oxford full time can't afford to live there. I do agree with the comments as to where the fathers of the children are and how are they supporting their children. I don't have any idea of the individual circumstances of these families but surely before you take the decision to have a child you give some thought as to how you are going to provide for them and look after them. And if not that's probably why we are in the mess we are in.
Or presumably find a property within the Housing benefit band you are on within Oxford and stay in Oxford. Lots of folk I know who work in Oxford full time can't afford to live there. I do agree with the comments as to where the fathers of the children are and how are they supporting their children. I don't have any idea of the individual circumstances of these families but surely before you take the decision to have a child you give some thought as to how you are going to provide for them and look after them. And if not that's probably why we are in the mess we are in. JanetJ
  • Score: 18

5:13pm Wed 12 Mar 14

hammerthebarstewards says...

Go and live with your parents! Don't have children that you cannot house or support - it is high time the Government got really tough and cut off all the 'Free Stuff' Taxpayers like me have to pick up the bill for these people and I for one have given enough! Cannot afford kids then DO NOT HAVE THEM - contraception is very very cheap!
Go and live with your parents! Don't have children that you cannot house or support - it is high time the Government got really tough and cut off all the 'Free Stuff' Taxpayers like me have to pick up the bill for these people and I for one have given enough! Cannot afford kids then DO NOT HAVE THEM - contraception is very very cheap! hammerthebarstewards
  • Score: 30

5:39pm Wed 12 Mar 14

wesths says...

Try getting a job and funding your own housing needs! Why not support your own children, or calculate if you can afford the kids you keep churning out!!!
Try getting a job and funding your own housing needs! Why not support your own children, or calculate if you can afford the kids you keep churning out!!! wesths
  • Score: 32

6:01pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Isawyoucoming says...

THere is plenty of spare bedrooms in buckingham palace. perhaps we should turn it into a womans hostel.
THere is plenty of spare bedrooms in buckingham palace. perhaps we should turn it into a womans hostel. Isawyoucoming
  • Score: 0

6:06pm Wed 12 Mar 14

South Upper 87 says...

Had one kid without the father being around, then while being in single accomodation for two years gets pregnant again....still no father around. If you want to keep having kids without being in a stable relationship then take whats on offer and think yourself lucky.
Had one kid without the father being around, then while being in single accomodation for two years gets pregnant again....still no father around. If you want to keep having kids without being in a stable relationship then take whats on offer and think yourself lucky. South Upper 87
  • Score: 35

6:07pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Andy of jericho says...

\A lot wrong here.

Is everyone in the UK entitled to live in the town of their choice at public expense? Can I 'demand' to live in Mayfair?

The idea that you 'must' be allowed to stay where you were born, for the rest of your life, seems extraordinary. People move around the UK time and again in their lives. Birmingham is just an hour away

And where the hell are the fathers of these children? Why arent they paying?
\A lot wrong here. Is everyone in the UK entitled to live in the town of their choice at public expense? Can I 'demand' to live in Mayfair? The idea that you 'must' be allowed to stay where you were born, for the rest of your life, seems extraordinary. People move around the UK time and again in their lives. Birmingham is just an hour away And where the hell are the fathers of these children? Why arent they paying? Andy of jericho
  • Score: 30

6:55pm Wed 12 Mar 14

coldblooded says...

hello lady's and gents
i was in similar situation with small difference and that is :
i am married and we have 2 boys aged 3 and 1 years old
eviction notice i get in June and haven't move out till end of November
at this time i we were employed me and my wife. She works 20 hrs i do 25 at the moment. With very high prices on the private accommodation sector we've been forced to ask oxford city council for help. Hmm they want do anything to help unless you have court order to move out. So we paying council tax band D that is 1664 pounds a year. In that price is parks , schools , library's , and many many more services with not using and even if so , that your kids going to school you still have to pay for it.

If you are curious enough have a look on council properties in Rose Hill the new build ones and look who live in there and what they driving.
If you want good council accommodation then all what you need to do is to put a nice amount of £ in envelope and hand it to council agent that's making decision on your claim . Surprise to hear that ? Unfortunately it's true. Now about private sector. Who is responsible for granting licenses to rent the houses ? Oxford City Council , yeah that's right they wont do anything with the prices otherwise they would loose profit from the rent that landlords have to pay onward's for licence.

To Councillors: Instead of thinking about west-gate development worth 400m £ focus on accommodation for people like Elysha Britnell and others in similar situation
Review licensing process for landlords and stop helping them increase the rental price of property. Remember Council is for people not for yourself. But at this point i'm guessing council don't do anything about the prices in the private sector. You asking why ?
If Oxford City Council will demand from landlords that the monthly rental price for accommodation need to match Local Housing Allowances and even with 20% additional charge , landlords will take the property's out from the market and value will go down. Afterwards house prices will go down due to lack of the tenants.
We are paying 1200 pcm , from that maybe around 75 or 150 goes to council. My landlord mortgage is around 450 to 500 pcm. When asked why is so high for 3 bedroom property answer was : Price is due to district so i can charge that much '. And again our lovely Councillors doing nothing.

Anyone remember article from last week about westgate ?
they said
"MORE than £230m will be pumped into the city’s economy every year if the Westgate Centre revamp is approved next week, officials have claimed

Into city economy. That only mean to me that someone in oxford city council will feed his wallet
Shame on you Councillors for being greedy pain on a back bone

Hope peeps will open there eyes and start claiming common law jurisdiction and all of us will take council tax bill to bin
Soon or later people will claim there freedom , freedom they deserve
hello lady's and gents i was in similar situation with small difference and that is : i am married and we have 2 boys aged 3 and 1 years old eviction notice i get in June and haven't move out till end of November at this time i we were employed me and my wife. She works 20 hrs i do 25 at the moment. With very high prices on the private accommodation sector we've been forced to ask oxford city council for help. Hmm they want do anything to help unless you have court order to move out. So we paying council tax band D that is 1664 pounds a year. In that price is parks , schools , library's , and many many more services with not using and even if so , that your kids going to school you still have to pay for it. If you are curious enough have a look on council properties in Rose Hill the new build ones and look who live in there and what they driving. If you want good council accommodation then all what you need to do is to put a nice amount of £ in envelope and hand it to council agent that's making decision on your claim . Surprise to hear that ? Unfortunately it's true. Now about private sector. Who is responsible for granting licenses to rent the houses ? Oxford City Council , yeah that's right they wont do anything with the prices otherwise they would loose profit from the rent that landlords have to pay onward's for licence. To Councillors: Instead of thinking about west-gate development worth 400m £ focus on accommodation for people like Elysha Britnell and others in similar situation Review licensing process for landlords and stop helping them increase the rental price of property. Remember Council is for people not for yourself. But at this point i'm guessing council don't do anything about the prices in the private sector. You asking why ? If Oxford City Council will demand from landlords that the monthly rental price for accommodation need to match Local Housing Allowances and even with 20% additional charge , landlords will take the property's out from the market and value will go down. Afterwards house prices will go down due to lack of the tenants. We are paying 1200 pcm , from that maybe around 75 or 150 goes to council. My landlord mortgage is around 450 to 500 pcm. When asked why is so high for 3 bedroom property answer was : Price is due to district so i can charge that much '. And again our lovely Councillors doing nothing. Anyone remember article from last week about westgate ? they said "MORE than £230m will be pumped into the city’s economy every year if the Westgate Centre revamp is approved next week, officials have claimed Into city economy. That only mean to me that someone in oxford city council will feed his wallet Shame on you Councillors for being greedy pain on a back bone Hope peeps will open there eyes and start claiming common law jurisdiction and all of us will take council tax bill to bin Soon or later people will claim there freedom , freedom they deserve coldblooded
  • Score: -13

7:01pm Wed 12 Mar 14

South Upper 87 says...

coldblooded wrote:
hello lady's and gents
i was in similar situation with small difference and that is :
i am married and we have 2 boys aged 3 and 1 years old
eviction notice i get in June and haven't move out till end of November
at this time i we were employed me and my wife. She works 20 hrs i do 25 at the moment. With very high prices on the private accommodation sector we've been forced to ask oxford city council for help. Hmm they want do anything to help unless you have court order to move out. So we paying council tax band D that is 1664 pounds a year. In that price is parks , schools , library's , and many many more services with not using and even if so , that your kids going to school you still have to pay for it.

If you are curious enough have a look on council properties in Rose Hill the new build ones and look who live in there and what they driving.
If you want good council accommodation then all what you need to do is to put a nice amount of £ in envelope and hand it to council agent that's making decision on your claim . Surprise to hear that ? Unfortunately it's true. Now about private sector. Who is responsible for granting licenses to rent the houses ? Oxford City Council , yeah that's right they wont do anything with the prices otherwise they would loose profit from the rent that landlords have to pay onward's for licence.

To Councillors: Instead of thinking about west-gate development worth 400m £ focus on accommodation for people like Elysha Britnell and others in similar situation
Review licensing process for landlords and stop helping them increase the rental price of property. Remember Council is for people not for yourself. But at this point i'm guessing council don't do anything about the prices in the private sector. You asking why ?
If Oxford City Council will demand from landlords that the monthly rental price for accommodation need to match Local Housing Allowances and even with 20% additional charge , landlords will take the property's out from the market and value will go down. Afterwards house prices will go down due to lack of the tenants.
We are paying 1200 pcm , from that maybe around 75 or 150 goes to council. My landlord mortgage is around 450 to 500 pcm. When asked why is so high for 3 bedroom property answer was : Price is due to district so i can charge that much '. And again our lovely Councillors doing nothing.

Anyone remember article from last week about westgate ?
they said
"MORE than £230m will be pumped into the city’s economy every year if the Westgate Centre revamp is approved next week, officials have claimed

Into city economy. That only mean to me that someone in oxford city council will feed his wallet
Shame on you Councillors for being greedy pain on a back bone

Hope peeps will open there eyes and start claiming common law jurisdiction and all of us will take council tax bill to bin
Soon or later people will claim there freedom , freedom they deserve
Try taking English at night school, could well get a better job to support your family
[quote][p][bold]coldblooded[/bold] wrote: hello lady's and gents i was in similar situation with small difference and that is : i am married and we have 2 boys aged 3 and 1 years old eviction notice i get in June and haven't move out till end of November at this time i we were employed me and my wife. She works 20 hrs i do 25 at the moment. With very high prices on the private accommodation sector we've been forced to ask oxford city council for help. Hmm they want do anything to help unless you have court order to move out. So we paying council tax band D that is 1664 pounds a year. In that price is parks , schools , library's , and many many more services with not using and even if so , that your kids going to school you still have to pay for it. If you are curious enough have a look on council properties in Rose Hill the new build ones and look who live in there and what they driving. If you want good council accommodation then all what you need to do is to put a nice amount of £ in envelope and hand it to council agent that's making decision on your claim . Surprise to hear that ? Unfortunately it's true. Now about private sector. Who is responsible for granting licenses to rent the houses ? Oxford City Council , yeah that's right they wont do anything with the prices otherwise they would loose profit from the rent that landlords have to pay onward's for licence. To Councillors: Instead of thinking about west-gate development worth 400m £ focus on accommodation for people like Elysha Britnell and others in similar situation Review licensing process for landlords and stop helping them increase the rental price of property. Remember Council is for people not for yourself. But at this point i'm guessing council don't do anything about the prices in the private sector. You asking why ? If Oxford City Council will demand from landlords that the monthly rental price for accommodation need to match Local Housing Allowances and even with 20% additional charge , landlords will take the property's out from the market and value will go down. Afterwards house prices will go down due to lack of the tenants. We are paying 1200 pcm , from that maybe around 75 or 150 goes to council. My landlord mortgage is around 450 to 500 pcm. When asked why is so high for 3 bedroom property answer was : Price is due to district so i can charge that much '. And again our lovely Councillors doing nothing. Anyone remember article from last week about westgate ? they said "MORE than £230m will be pumped into the city’s economy every year if the Westgate Centre revamp is approved next week, officials have claimed Into city economy. That only mean to me that someone in oxford city council will feed his wallet Shame on you Councillors for being greedy pain on a back bone Hope peeps will open there eyes and start claiming common law jurisdiction and all of us will take council tax bill to bin Soon or later people will claim there freedom , freedom they deserve[/p][/quote]Try taking English at night school, could well get a better job to support your family South Upper 87
  • Score: 15

7:01pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Jameslouis says...

Scott Seamons, Oxford City Council’s board member is completely wrong blaming benefits for the shortage of housing in Oxford, the reason for the shortage in Oxford is due to two things that the Oxford City Council have deliberately done! Firstly in my opinion they have put all the immigrants at the top of the housing lists, Polish and Eastern European if this is not true show us the housing lists, no I thought not! and secondly in my opinion-they have for several years been taking some kind of benefits wether these be financial or otherwise who know's from Oxford University that gives the University preference over housing in Oxford. Instead of building houses for ordinary people who live in Oxford they in my opinion let the University build on every possible piece of land, look at the Proposed building complex in Botley Road Oxford, 555 student fllats and only 33 flats for the public, the council let the university build on every plot knowing there would be no houses for members of the public. In my opinion the Parliamentary Health Ombudsman and the police should be called in to investigate Oxford city councils building policy and there accounts checked for unaccounted funds. Remember in my opinion when you vote in the May council elections you have no housing due to the policies, of Oxford City council, have a nice day
Scott Seamons, Oxford City Council’s board member is completely wrong blaming benefits for the shortage of housing in Oxford, the reason for the shortage in Oxford is due to two things that the Oxford City Council have deliberately done! Firstly in my opinion they have put all the immigrants at the top of the housing lists, Polish and Eastern European if this is not true show us the housing lists, no I thought not! and secondly in my opinion-they have for several years been taking some kind of benefits wether these be financial or otherwise who know's from Oxford University that gives the University preference over housing in Oxford. Instead of building houses for ordinary people who live in Oxford they in my opinion let the University build on every possible piece of land, look at the Proposed building complex in Botley Road Oxford, 555 student fllats and only 33 flats for the public, the council let the university build on every plot knowing there would be no houses for members of the public. In my opinion the Parliamentary Health Ombudsman and the police should be called in to investigate Oxford city councils building policy and there accounts checked for unaccounted funds. Remember in my opinion when you vote in the May council elections you have no housing due to the policies, of Oxford City council, have a nice day Jameslouis
  • Score: -3

7:10pm Wed 12 Mar 14

nanny rabbits says...

Why not send all the Scots, Welsh, and Irish back to where they came from giving people that were born and bred in Oxford the choice to stay here.
Also for those of you that are unaware this is the 21st century. There is no shame in being a single parent family and in my experience a happy single mother is far far better than a useless unemployed father who couldn't care less about his kids.
GOOD LUCK ELYSHA
Why not send all the Scots, Welsh, and Irish back to where they came from giving people that were born and bred in Oxford the choice to stay here. Also for those of you that are unaware this is the 21st century. There is no shame in being a single parent family and in my experience a happy single mother is far far better than a useless unemployed father who couldn't care less about his kids. GOOD LUCK ELYSHA nanny rabbits
  • Score: -13

8:01pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Oxford born says...

Funniest thing is Mya and Lola's dad lives with them. Not sure if he even works
Funniest thing is Mya and Lola's dad lives with them. Not sure if he even works Oxford born
  • Score: 19

8:04pm Wed 12 Mar 14

alu355 says...

She should count herself very lucky that the taxpayer is paying for her accommodation, wherever that may be.

I bet we are also funding her legal aid to contest this.
She should count herself very lucky that the taxpayer is paying for her accommodation, wherever that may be. I bet we are also funding her legal aid to contest this. alu355
  • Score: 26

8:33pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Tidkin says...

Once upon a time if a girl got herself pregnant the responsibility fell on her family to support her. The prospect of this burden on the family and their displeasure at the problem was a deterent for many girls and as a result it was a fairly rare occurence then. Now they seem to think they have a RIGHT to have a baby and a RIGHT for the tax payer to pick up the tab for their keep - and despite readily available contraception the numbers have rocketed. Yes where is the father or fathers ? Only last year I overheard a discussion on a bus between a group of teenagers discussing how a couple of teenagers they knew had deliberately produced a child so that the girl (posing as a single mother) would be firstly put into temporary accommodation and then be given a flat (so the couple could live together at the tax payers expense). The boys in particular thought it a great idea. In another instance, some years ago I heard of a young woman who deliberately got pregnant by a local kebab man (because she wanted a dark haired/eyed child). She was given a two bedroomed house and later sub-let one bedroom thus raising an income for herself on top of her benefits.This was at the same time that my son and his pregnant wife (both in employment but limited finances) were told they would have to wait a minimum of 4 years before a possiblility of council/social housing. They had to live with family for 3 years before they could afford to get a mortgage and then it had to be part buy/ part rent.

Sorry, but it is about time single, non working mothers were clamped down on and not given priority at the expense of hard working tax payers - especially as there are so many scams around.
Once upon a time if a girl got herself pregnant the responsibility fell on her family to support her. The prospect of this burden on the family and their displeasure at the problem was a deterent for many girls and as a result it was a fairly rare occurence then. Now they seem to think they have a RIGHT to have a baby and a RIGHT for the tax payer to pick up the tab for their keep - and despite readily available contraception the numbers have rocketed. Yes where is the father or fathers ? Only last year I overheard a discussion on a bus between a group of teenagers discussing how a couple of teenagers they knew had deliberately produced a child so that the girl (posing as a single mother) would be firstly put into temporary accommodation and then be given a flat (so the couple could live together at the tax payers expense). The boys in particular thought it a great idea. In another instance, some years ago I heard of a young woman who deliberately got pregnant by a local kebab man (because she wanted a dark haired/eyed child). She was given a two bedroomed house and later sub-let one bedroom thus raising an income for herself on top of her benefits.This was at the same time that my son and his pregnant wife (both in employment but limited finances) were told they would have to wait a minimum of 4 years before a possiblility of council/social housing. They had to live with family for 3 years before they could afford to get a mortgage and then it had to be part buy/ part rent. Sorry, but it is about time single, non working mothers were clamped down on and not given priority at the expense of hard working tax payers - especially as there are so many scams around. Tidkin
  • Score: 37

10:43pm Wed 12 Mar 14

coldblooded says...

Hi pepsi aga in
If you want to leave negative comment then feel free to do so
It will only tell us about where you belong to
Either landlord or someone from council , or someone on high income living in council property

anyway who know how Local housing allowance is calculated?
Is it based on average rental price of the specific area ?
or , is it only based on Oxford city council accommodation? And any of council Associated companys offering a property?

If so It is not truly fair to People on private sector

To lovely councillors: sort the private sector and your problems are sorted . More people will rent in private sector and it also mean people in Town more money for you is simple. Make calculation based on this and reduce council tax by 200 on every band

Regards
Hi pepsi aga in If you want to leave negative comment then feel free to do so It will only tell us about where you belong to Either landlord or someone from council , or someone on high income living in council property anyway who know how Local housing allowance is calculated? Is it based on average rental price of the specific area ? or , is it only based on Oxford city council accommodation? And any of council Associated companys offering a property? If so It is not truly fair to People on private sector To lovely councillors: sort the private sector and your problems are sorted . More people will rent in private sector and it also mean people in Town more money for you is simple. Make calculation based on this and reduce council tax by 200 on every band Regards coldblooded
  • Score: -13

11:24pm Wed 12 Mar 14

bicesterlady says...

coldblooded wrote:
Hi pepsi aga in
If you want to leave negative comment then feel free to do so
It will only tell us about where you belong to
Either landlord or someone from council , or someone on high income living in council property

anyway who know how Local housing allowance is calculated?
Is it based on average rental price of the specific area ?
or , is it only based on Oxford city council accommodation? And any of council Associated companys offering a property?

If so It is not truly fair to People on private sector

To lovely councillors: sort the private sector and your problems are sorted . More people will rent in private sector and it also mean people in Town more money for you is simple. Make calculation based on this and reduce council tax by 200 on every band

Regards
LHA is calculated by the valuation office who tell councils how much they can pay for accommodation based on the number of rooms you & your family are entitled to. LHA only applies to private rented accommodation. I have no idea how OCC decide what rent to charge on their own properties. The rent charged is the same irrespective of the tenant being on HB or paying the rent by other means.
That's an extremely serious allegation you are making concerning putting cash into envelopes for housing officials. Perhaps know it's happening you should report it rather than making allegations on here.
[quote][p][bold]coldblooded[/bold] wrote: Hi pepsi aga in If you want to leave negative comment then feel free to do so It will only tell us about where you belong to Either landlord or someone from council , or someone on high income living in council property anyway who know how Local housing allowance is calculated? Is it based on average rental price of the specific area ? or , is it only based on Oxford city council accommodation? And any of council Associated companys offering a property? If so It is not truly fair to People on private sector To lovely councillors: sort the private sector and your problems are sorted . More people will rent in private sector and it also mean people in Town more money for you is simple. Make calculation based on this and reduce council tax by 200 on every band Regards[/p][/quote]LHA is calculated by the valuation office who tell councils how much they can pay for accommodation based on the number of rooms you & your family are entitled to. LHA only applies to private rented accommodation. I have no idea how OCC decide what rent to charge on their own properties. The rent charged is the same irrespective of the tenant being on HB or paying the rent by other means. That's an extremely serious allegation you are making concerning putting cash into envelopes for housing officials. Perhaps know it's happening you should report it rather than making allegations on here. bicesterlady
  • Score: 10

11:33pm Wed 12 Mar 14

boots17 says...

Immigrant queue jumpers, council officers being bribed and university speculators in the mix gosh a real case for Inspector Morse to solve!
The plain fact is that the demand to live in Oxford is significantly higher than supply so price rises.
Who owns the land, do the landlords pay tax and who lends them the money.
Surely an Ox Mail jurno with Morse powers can answer the real questions about land power?
Immigrant queue jumpers, council officers being bribed and university speculators in the mix gosh a real case for Inspector Morse to solve! The plain fact is that the demand to live in Oxford is significantly higher than supply so price rises. Who owns the land, do the landlords pay tax and who lends them the money. Surely an Ox Mail jurno with Morse powers can answer the real questions about land power? boots17
  • Score: 12

12:26am Thu 13 Mar 14

coldblooded says...

bicesterlady wrote:
coldblooded wrote:
Hi pepsi aga in
If you want to leave negative comment then feel free to do so
It will only tell us about where you belong to
Either landlord or someone from council , or someone on high income living in council property

anyway who know how Local housing allowance is calculated?
Is it based on average rental price of the specific area ?
or , is it only based on Oxford city council accommodation? And any of council Associated companys offering a property?

If so It is not truly fair to People on private sector

To lovely councillors: sort the private sector and your problems are sorted . More people will rent in private sector and it also mean people in Town more money for you is simple. Make calculation based on this and reduce council tax by 200 on every band

Regards
LHA is calculated by the valuation office who tell councils how much they can pay for accommodation based on the number of rooms you & your family are entitled to. LHA only applies to private rented accommodation. I have no idea how OCC decide what rent to charge on their own properties. The rent charged is the same irrespective of the tenant being on HB or paying the rent by other means.
That's an extremely serious allegation you are making concerning putting cash into envelopes for housing officials. Perhaps know it's happening you should report it rather than making allegations on here.
i cant tell you where i have the information from
and nope its no the same even with HB
rental price is set by landlord without valuation
housing benefit is set by your annual income
is like living in 2 towns at the same time with different rights for council and different one for private sector

What a SCAM by Local authorities
[quote][p][bold]bicesterlady[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldblooded[/bold] wrote: Hi pepsi aga in If you want to leave negative comment then feel free to do so It will only tell us about where you belong to Either landlord or someone from council , or someone on high income living in council property anyway who know how Local housing allowance is calculated? Is it based on average rental price of the specific area ? or , is it only based on Oxford city council accommodation? And any of council Associated companys offering a property? If so It is not truly fair to People on private sector To lovely councillors: sort the private sector and your problems are sorted . More people will rent in private sector and it also mean people in Town more money for you is simple. Make calculation based on this and reduce council tax by 200 on every band Regards[/p][/quote]LHA is calculated by the valuation office who tell councils how much they can pay for accommodation based on the number of rooms you & your family are entitled to. LHA only applies to private rented accommodation. I have no idea how OCC decide what rent to charge on their own properties. The rent charged is the same irrespective of the tenant being on HB or paying the rent by other means. That's an extremely serious allegation you are making concerning putting cash into envelopes for housing officials. Perhaps know it's happening you should report it rather than making allegations on here.[/p][/quote]i cant tell you where i have the information from and nope its no the same even with HB rental price is set by landlord without valuation housing benefit is set by your annual income is like living in 2 towns at the same time with different rights for council and different one for private sector What a SCAM by Local authorities coldblooded
  • Score: -11

1:25am Thu 13 Mar 14

bicesterlady says...

coldblooded wrote:
bicesterlady wrote:
coldblooded wrote:
Hi pepsi aga in
If you want to leave negative comment then feel free to do so
It will only tell us about where you belong to
Either landlord or someone from council , or someone on high income living in council property

anyway who know how Local housing allowance is calculated?
Is it based on average rental price of the specific area ?
or , is it only based on Oxford city council accommodation? And any of council Associated companys offering a property?

If so It is not truly fair to People on private sector

To lovely councillors: sort the private sector and your problems are sorted . More people will rent in private sector and it also mean people in Town more money for you is simple. Make calculation based on this and reduce council tax by 200 on every band

Regards
LHA is calculated by the valuation office who tell councils how much they can pay for accommodation based on the number of rooms you & your family are entitled to. LHA only applies to private rented accommodation. I have no idea how OCC decide what rent to charge on their own properties. The rent charged is the same irrespective of the tenant being on HB or paying the rent by other means.
That's an extremely serious allegation you are making concerning putting cash into envelopes for housing officials. Perhaps know it's happening you should report it rather than making allegations on here.
i cant tell you where i have the information from
and nope its no the same even with HB
rental price is set by landlord without valuation
housing benefit is set by your annual income
is like living in 2 towns at the same time with different rights for council and different one for private sector

What a SCAM by Local authorities
I don't understand how it's a scam by councils? Housing benefit is assessed using your income but the rent they treat you as paying is set by LHA rates if you are a private tenant.

Council tenants pay lower rent as there is not a private landlord looking to make a profit- which is let's face it the while reason they are landlords.
[quote][p][bold]coldblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bicesterlady[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldblooded[/bold] wrote: Hi pepsi aga in If you want to leave negative comment then feel free to do so It will only tell us about where you belong to Either landlord or someone from council , or someone on high income living in council property anyway who know how Local housing allowance is calculated? Is it based on average rental price of the specific area ? or , is it only based on Oxford city council accommodation? And any of council Associated companys offering a property? If so It is not truly fair to People on private sector To lovely councillors: sort the private sector and your problems are sorted . More people will rent in private sector and it also mean people in Town more money for you is simple. Make calculation based on this and reduce council tax by 200 on every band Regards[/p][/quote]LHA is calculated by the valuation office who tell councils how much they can pay for accommodation based on the number of rooms you & your family are entitled to. LHA only applies to private rented accommodation. I have no idea how OCC decide what rent to charge on their own properties. The rent charged is the same irrespective of the tenant being on HB or paying the rent by other means. That's an extremely serious allegation you are making concerning putting cash into envelopes for housing officials. Perhaps know it's happening you should report it rather than making allegations on here.[/p][/quote]i cant tell you where i have the information from and nope its no the same even with HB rental price is set by landlord without valuation housing benefit is set by your annual income is like living in 2 towns at the same time with different rights for council and different one for private sector What a SCAM by Local authorities[/p][/quote]I don't understand how it's a scam by councils? Housing benefit is assessed using your income but the rent they treat you as paying is set by LHA rates if you are a private tenant. Council tenants pay lower rent as there is not a private landlord looking to make a profit- which is let's face it the while reason they are landlords. bicesterlady
  • Score: 7

1:27am Thu 13 Mar 14

coldblooded says...

bicesterlady wrote:
coldblooded wrote:
bicesterlady wrote:
coldblooded wrote:
Hi pepsi aga in
If you want to leave negative comment then feel free to do so
It will only tell us about where you belong to
Either landlord or someone from council , or someone on high income living in council property

anyway who know how Local housing allowance is calculated?
Is it based on average rental price of the specific area ?
or , is it only based on Oxford city council accommodation? And any of council Associated companys offering a property?

If so It is not truly fair to People on private sector

To lovely councillors: sort the private sector and your problems are sorted . More people will rent in private sector and it also mean people in Town more money for you is simple. Make calculation based on this and reduce council tax by 200 on every band

Regards
LHA is calculated by the valuation office who tell councils how much they can pay for accommodation based on the number of rooms you & your family are entitled to. LHA only applies to private rented accommodation. I have no idea how OCC decide what rent to charge on their own properties. The rent charged is the same irrespective of the tenant being on HB or paying the rent by other means.
That's an extremely serious allegation you are making concerning putting cash into envelopes for housing officials. Perhaps know it's happening you should report it rather than making allegations on here.
i cant tell you where i have the information from
and nope its no the same even with HB
rental price is set by landlord without valuation
housing benefit is set by your annual income
is like living in 2 towns at the same time with different rights for council and different one for private sector

What a SCAM by Local authorities
I don't understand how it's a scam by councils? Housing benefit is assessed using your income but the rent they treat you as paying is set by LHA rates if you are a private tenant.

Council tenants pay lower rent as there is not a private landlord looking to make a profit- which is let's face it the while reason they are landlords.
last comment from
OPEN YOUR EYES

or maybe u are one of them....
[quote][p][bold]bicesterlady[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bicesterlady[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coldblooded[/bold] wrote: Hi pepsi aga in If you want to leave negative comment then feel free to do so It will only tell us about where you belong to Either landlord or someone from council , or someone on high income living in council property anyway who know how Local housing allowance is calculated? Is it based on average rental price of the specific area ? or , is it only based on Oxford city council accommodation? And any of council Associated companys offering a property? If so It is not truly fair to People on private sector To lovely councillors: sort the private sector and your problems are sorted . More people will rent in private sector and it also mean people in Town more money for you is simple. Make calculation based on this and reduce council tax by 200 on every band Regards[/p][/quote]LHA is calculated by the valuation office who tell councils how much they can pay for accommodation based on the number of rooms you & your family are entitled to. LHA only applies to private rented accommodation. I have no idea how OCC decide what rent to charge on their own properties. The rent charged is the same irrespective of the tenant being on HB or paying the rent by other means. That's an extremely serious allegation you are making concerning putting cash into envelopes for housing officials. Perhaps know it's happening you should report it rather than making allegations on here.[/p][/quote]i cant tell you where i have the information from and nope its no the same even with HB rental price is set by landlord without valuation housing benefit is set by your annual income is like living in 2 towns at the same time with different rights for council and different one for private sector What a SCAM by Local authorities[/p][/quote]I don't understand how it's a scam by councils? Housing benefit is assessed using your income but the rent they treat you as paying is set by LHA rates if you are a private tenant. Council tenants pay lower rent as there is not a private landlord looking to make a profit- which is let's face it the while reason they are landlords.[/p][/quote]last comment from OPEN YOUR EYES or maybe u are one of them.... coldblooded
  • Score: -11

1:44am Thu 13 Mar 14

bicesterlady says...

No I'm not a landlord - nor am I a OCC employee if that's what you mean
I work hard to pay the mortgage on my small house that's not in the village I was brought up & where my family lives because property prices are too high. I have one child as we don't have enough room for a second & can't afford a bigger house.
No I'm not a landlord - nor am I a OCC employee if that's what you mean I work hard to pay the mortgage on my small house that's not in the village I was brought up & where my family lives because property prices are too high. I have one child as we don't have enough room for a second & can't afford a bigger house. bicesterlady
  • Score: 21

2:22am Thu 13 Mar 14

coldblooded says...

bicesterlady wrote:
No I'm not a landlord - nor am I a OCC employee if that's what you mean
I work hard to pay the mortgage on my small house that's not in the village I was brought up & where my family lives because property prices are too high. I have one child as we don't have enough room for a second & can't afford a bigger house.
im not against you at all hun
but would love to see that we have the same rights.....
wish you all the best darling
[quote][p][bold]bicesterlady[/bold] wrote: No I'm not a landlord - nor am I a OCC employee if that's what you mean I work hard to pay the mortgage on my small house that's not in the village I was brought up & where my family lives because property prices are too high. I have one child as we don't have enough room for a second & can't afford a bigger house.[/p][/quote]im not against you at all hun but would love to see that we have the same rights..... wish you all the best darling coldblooded
  • Score: -13

2:34am Thu 13 Mar 14

disappearer says...

Mr McNulty said that the most vulnerable people in the city are being abandoned by the city council and moved to places where they are alone.

Mr McNulty said: “There was a change in the law which now lets councils dump people. Now they can find people out-of-area placements and just discharge their duty to these people.”

John is not telling the whole truth here.

He knows that the council have to find suitable housing when it has to house homeless people, and one of the main things that has to be taken into account here is that the housing is affordable.

More and more, high Oxford rents mean that housing is not affordable (or available in the first place!) to people on housing benefit. Housing benefit simply no longer covers the cost of the actual rent for most private tenants.

This is not the council's fault.

It is because of the way the government has set the local housing allowance rules.

The council can't find housing for homeless people on benefits in Oxford if housing benefit won't pay the rent.

Affordability is not the only factor the council has to take into account.

But Elysha's children aren't even in school yet, and unless she can provide evidence that Lola's heart problems can't be dealt with at a Birmingham hospital, then she probably doesn't have a great deal of choice in the matter.

If you don't think Elysha should have to move, then please don't moan about benefits being too generous. In her case, the problem is that benefits aren't generous enough.

Because Oxford rents are too high. And benefits no longer cover the amount of money that Oxford's landlords charge.

Whose fault is that, then?
Mr McNulty said that the most vulnerable people in the city are being abandoned by the city council and moved to places where they are alone. Mr McNulty said: “There was a change in the law which now lets councils dump people. Now they can find people out-of-area placements and just discharge their duty to these people.” John is not telling the whole truth here. He knows that the council have to find suitable housing when it has to house homeless people, and one of the main things that has to be taken into account here is that the housing is affordable. More and more, high Oxford rents mean that housing is not affordable (or available in the first place!) to people on housing benefit. Housing benefit simply no longer covers the cost of the actual rent for most private tenants. This is not the council's fault. It is because of the way the government has set the local housing allowance rules. The council can't find housing for homeless people on benefits in Oxford if housing benefit won't pay the rent. Affordability is not the only factor the council has to take into account. But Elysha's children aren't even in school yet, and unless she can provide evidence that Lola's heart problems can't be dealt with at a Birmingham hospital, then she probably doesn't have a great deal of choice in the matter. If you don't think Elysha should have to move, then please don't moan about benefits being too generous. In her case, the problem is that benefits aren't generous enough. Because Oxford rents are too high. And benefits no longer cover the amount of money that Oxford's landlords charge. Whose fault is that, then? disappearer
  • Score: 15

8:41am Thu 13 Mar 14

JanetJ says...

And the bulk of the private rented properties used to be council house didn't they? I think we have Mrs Thatcher to blame for that one
And the bulk of the private rented properties used to be council house didn't they? I think we have Mrs Thatcher to blame for that one JanetJ
  • Score: 5

8:49am Thu 13 Mar 14

Milkbutnosugarplease says...

The big picture: the welfare state tried to replace family obligations and self-reliance but now the cost has proved too high and tax-payers' support has weakened. The impact of this on individuals is that welfare-claimants are priced out of expensive cities. The times are changing. I received my new council tax bill from Oxford City Council and see the tax has gone up again - I sympathise with their need to cut costs. I am not willing to pay bigger tax increases to fund single mothers who are very skilled at moral blackmail.
The big picture: the welfare state tried to replace family obligations and self-reliance but now the cost has proved too high and tax-payers' support has weakened. The impact of this on individuals is that welfare-claimants are priced out of expensive cities. The times are changing. I received my new council tax bill from Oxford City Council and see the tax has gone up again - I sympathise with their need to cut costs. I am not willing to pay bigger tax increases to fund single mothers who are very skilled at moral blackmail. Milkbutnosugarplease
  • Score: 17

8:59am Thu 13 Mar 14

King Joke says...

This conveniently ignores the factor that Janet J reminds us of: there used to be enough social housing to cater for those that needed it, but it's been taken out of circulation for social housing by being sold off to the private sector.

I and my partner have always worked, rented privately, paid income tax and the now astronomical council tax, but I'm not going to complain because I recognise that on the scale of things we've had it easy, with middle-class backgrounds which have allowed us to sail into a relatively favourable position. I could easily sneer at those who didn't have those backgrounds but I won't.
This conveniently ignores the factor that Janet J reminds us of: there used to be enough social housing to cater for those that needed it, but it's been taken out of circulation for social housing by being sold off to the private sector. I and my partner have always worked, rented privately, paid income tax and the now astronomical council tax, but I'm not going to complain because I recognise that on the scale of things we've had it easy, with middle-class backgrounds which have allowed us to sail into a relatively favourable position. I could easily sneer at those who didn't have those backgrounds but I won't. King Joke
  • Score: 9

2:37pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Tidkin says...

Years ago when council homes became available to qualify you had to be a married couple with children with the male IN WORK and thus able to pay the rent. Now things seem to have been reversed and those without work and claiming to have no support from the father of their child are the ones to get priority - and they know it.. I know of women claiming to be single and on benefits who have moved into what was once council property (now privately owned) and within 24 hours the father of the child/children has moved in. They are depriving the tax payer of money and also depriving genuine cases of their chance of a home. There was once apparently a Fair Rents Act. The Government need to re-instate this as rents and house prices have rocketed since it was done away with. It is stupid to allow rent and house prices to rocket as at the end of the day it is the Government and the tax payer who are picking up the tab for housing benefit costs to bridge the gap between what people can afford (on benefits or not) and what the landlord is charging. The only people gaining are the landlords - I wonder how many politicians etc are also landlords??
Years ago when council homes became available to qualify you had to be a married couple with children with the male IN WORK and thus able to pay the rent. Now things seem to have been reversed and those without work and claiming to have no support from the father of their child are the ones to get priority - and they know it.. I know of women claiming to be single and on benefits who have moved into what was once council property (now privately owned) and within 24 hours the father of the child/children has moved in. They are depriving the tax payer of money and also depriving genuine cases of their chance of a home. There was once apparently a Fair Rents Act. The Government need to re-instate this as rents and house prices have rocketed since it was done away with. It is stupid to allow rent and house prices to rocket as at the end of the day it is the Government and the tax payer who are picking up the tab for housing benefit costs to bridge the gap between what people can afford (on benefits or not) and what the landlord is charging. The only people gaining are the landlords - I wonder how many politicians etc are also landlords?? Tidkin
  • Score: 8

5:55pm Thu 13 Mar 14

thomashenry says...

King Joke wrote:
Andrew:Oxford wrote:
Once the E-W link opens, it'll be quicker to travel from Bletchley & Milton Keynes or Aylesbury to central Oxford than it will be to travel from Barton or the Leys. This will open up a whole new opportunity for cheaper rental housing.

There is nothing wrong with moving somewhere else to find work or accommodation though.

Thousands of people come to Oxford to work, and know nobody here before they arrive and make new friends.
EWR rail will open up more commuting opportunities, but it will never get you to central Oxford, as the station is about 1 km from the very central area. Rail fares are much higher than bus fares too, so it won't really be an alternative to living in one of Oxford's outer estates, especially if you consider MK and Aylesbury aren't that cheap either.
It's 0.4 miles from Carfax to the station. Trying to claim the station is not central is absurd.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: Once the E-W link opens, it'll be quicker to travel from Bletchley & Milton Keynes or Aylesbury to central Oxford than it will be to travel from Barton or the Leys. This will open up a whole new opportunity for cheaper rental housing. There is nothing wrong with moving somewhere else to find work or accommodation though. Thousands of people come to Oxford to work, and know nobody here before they arrive and make new friends.[/p][/quote]EWR rail will open up more commuting opportunities, but it will never get you to central Oxford, as the station is about 1 km from the very central area. Rail fares are much higher than bus fares too, so it won't really be an alternative to living in one of Oxford's outer estates, especially if you consider MK and Aylesbury aren't that cheap either.[/p][/quote]It's 0.4 miles from Carfax to the station. Trying to claim the station is not central is absurd. thomashenry
  • Score: 2

7:41am Fri 14 Mar 14

bicesterlady says...

Can't see that the rail link makes much odds to her. She's on benefits so probably wouldn't be able to afford a ticket.
Simple fact is she chose to have 2 children & is asking to be looked after at tax payers expense. There is only so many homes available locally.
Can't see that the rail link makes much odds to her. She's on benefits so probably wouldn't be able to afford a ticket. Simple fact is she chose to have 2 children & is asking to be looked after at tax payers expense. There is only so many homes available locally. bicesterlady
  • Score: 7

8:14am Fri 14 Mar 14

King Joke says...

thomashenry wrote:
King Joke wrote:
Andrew:Oxford wrote:
Once the E-W link opens, it'll be quicker to travel from Bletchley & Milton Keynes or Aylesbury to central Oxford than it will be to travel from Barton or the Leys. This will open up a whole new opportunity for cheaper rental housing.

There is nothing wrong with moving somewhere else to find work or accommodation though.

Thousands of people come to Oxford to work, and know nobody here before they arrive and make new friends.
EWR rail will open up more commuting opportunities, but it will never get you to central Oxford, as the station is about 1 km from the very central area. Rail fares are much higher than bus fares too, so it won't really be an alternative to living in one of Oxford's outer estates, especially if you consider MK and Aylesbury aren't that cheap either.
It's 0.4 miles from Carfax to the station. Trying to claim the station is not central is absurd.
Looking at an OS map it's the thick end of 1 km from the Station to Carfax, including the fact the station is a little off the line of the Park End-Botley Rd axis which makes it harder to measure. 1 km is 5/8th of a mile, about 0.6, not 0.4. If your employer is Queen's, New, Hertford or the Bod it's the best part of a mile.

An OBC City Zone pass will get you in from the eastern estates for £14.50/week .

A weekly rail season from Leam Spa is £83.

I would not recommend the MK area to low-income families who need to work or have family connections in Oxford.

A more sensible option would be to offer this young lady a place in one of our cheaper satellite towns, like Bicester, Didcot or Carterton.
[quote][p][bold]thomashenry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: Once the E-W link opens, it'll be quicker to travel from Bletchley & Milton Keynes or Aylesbury to central Oxford than it will be to travel from Barton or the Leys. This will open up a whole new opportunity for cheaper rental housing. There is nothing wrong with moving somewhere else to find work or accommodation though. Thousands of people come to Oxford to work, and know nobody here before they arrive and make new friends.[/p][/quote]EWR rail will open up more commuting opportunities, but it will never get you to central Oxford, as the station is about 1 km from the very central area. Rail fares are much higher than bus fares too, so it won't really be an alternative to living in one of Oxford's outer estates, especially if you consider MK and Aylesbury aren't that cheap either.[/p][/quote]It's 0.4 miles from Carfax to the station. Trying to claim the station is not central is absurd.[/p][/quote]Looking at an OS map it's the thick end of 1 km from the Station to Carfax, including the fact the station is a little off the line of the Park End-Botley Rd axis which makes it harder to measure. 1 km is 5/8th of a mile, about 0.6, not 0.4. If your employer is Queen's, New, Hertford or the Bod it's the best part of a mile. An OBC City Zone pass will get you in from the eastern estates for £14.50/week [other bus companies are available]. A weekly rail season from Leam Spa [around 40 miles away, like Milton Keynes] is £83. I would not recommend the MK area to low-income families who need to work or have family connections in Oxford. A more sensible option would be to offer this young lady a place in one of our cheaper satellite towns, like Bicester, Didcot or Carterton. King Joke
  • Score: 4

10:28am Mon 17 Mar 14

JanetJ says...

"A more sensible option would be to offer this young lady a place in one of our cheaper satellite towns, like Bicester, Didcot or Carterton".

Thats the point I think - there are no private landlords in these areas willing to take tenants on housing benefit at the rate offered.
"A more sensible option would be to offer this young lady a place in one of our cheaper satellite towns, like Bicester, Didcot or Carterton". Thats the point I think - there are no private landlords in these areas willing to take tenants on housing benefit at the rate offered. JanetJ
  • Score: 3

8:40am Tue 18 Mar 14

Megamags says...

I just find it extraordinary that I'm expected to pay for other people's children. If I got a new car I wouldn't expect the council to meet the repayments. I didn't consider kids until I earned enough to clothe and feed them and owned a house to put them in. Most animals are this smart.

She should take the offer of a free house, and perhaps reflect that while she sits there watching Finding Nemo, other people are out working 12 hour days and paying 40% of what they earn to feed, clothe and shelter her children.
I just find it extraordinary that I'm expected to pay for other people's children. If I got a new car I wouldn't expect the council to meet the repayments. I didn't consider kids until I earned enough to clothe and feed them and owned a house to put them in. Most animals are this smart. She should take the offer of a free house, and perhaps reflect that while she sits there watching Finding Nemo, other people are out working 12 hour days and paying 40% of what they earn to feed, clothe and shelter her children. Megamags
  • Score: 0

8:52am Tue 18 Mar 14

King Joke says...

Very few people pay 40% tax, as taxation is progressive. You pay nothing on the first £9k or so, and then 25% on the next tranche up to £32k.

I don't particularly like paying for other people's children, but given that the alternative is them living in the streets, like people in Calcutta, I'll stick with the current system.

Funny you should choose cars as an example - I pay for your car even though I get no benefit from it, as everyone pays for the costs of congestion, and NHS costs from road accidents and respiratory diseases and obesity. I also pay to administer town centre car parks I get no benefit from, and CPZs which wouldn't be necessary if there weren't so many cars. THe point is we all pay for things for which costs are collectivised, or else we'd be putting 5p in a lamp-post each time we walked up a street at night.
Very few people pay 40% tax, as taxation is progressive. You pay nothing on the first £9k or so, and then 25% on the next tranche up to £32k. I don't particularly like paying for other people's children, but given that the alternative is them living in the streets, like people in Calcutta, I'll stick with the current system. Funny you should choose cars as an example - I pay for your car even though I get no benefit from it, as everyone pays for the costs of congestion, and NHS costs from road accidents and respiratory diseases and obesity. I also pay to administer town centre car parks I get no benefit from, and CPZs which wouldn't be necessary if there weren't so many cars. THe point is we all pay for things for which costs are collectivised, or else we'd be putting 5p in a lamp-post each time we walked up a street at night. King Joke
  • Score: 1

2:06pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Miss_Westington says...

"Once the E-W link opens, it'll be quicker to travel from Bletchley & Milton Keynes or Aylesbury to central Oxford than it will be to travel from Barton or the Leys. This will open up a whole new opportunity for cheaper rental housing."

Um, just to be clear, we don't want them either, thanks. Working tax-payers are welcome though.

I'd like to say to the people in this situation, who cares? It's a problem of your own doing, so stop whining that life is so hard for you. You're being given money and a house FOR FREE! Free! I have to work 40 hours a week and I don't have a house.

People like this are an absolute shameless embarrassment. Given the choice, I'd ship them further away than Birmingham.
"Once the E-W link opens, it'll be quicker to travel from Bletchley & Milton Keynes or Aylesbury to central Oxford than it will be to travel from Barton or the Leys. This will open up a whole new opportunity for cheaper rental housing." Um, just to be clear, we don't want them either, thanks. Working tax-payers are welcome though. I'd like to say to the people in this situation, who cares? It's a problem of your own doing, so stop whining that life is so hard for you. You're being given money and a house FOR FREE! Free! I have to work 40 hours a week and I don't have a house. People like this are an absolute shameless embarrassment. Given the choice, I'd ship them further away than Birmingham. Miss_Westington
  • Score: -1

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