£1m investment to make key Oxford roundabout at The Plain safer for cyclists

FUNDING for a near-£1m scheme to make The Plain roundabout safer for the thousands of cyclists that use it has been approved.

Prime Minister and Witney MP David Cameron today confirmed £77m will be spent on a dozen major cycling projects across the country.

Changes to the city roundabout will see lanes narrowed to slow traffic and make conditions more cyclist-friendly.

Richard Mann, from cycling campaign group Cyclox, said: “I think it’s excellent news.

“The county council’s proposals for The Plain are very much focused around making one of Oxford’s key problem junctions as cycle-friendly as they can.

“We’re very optimistic with the money coming forward that we will be able to make a substantial difference to The Plain.”

At present the carriageway that runs around The Plain varies between 6m and 10m in width, but the redesign would change this to 5m all the way round.

As well as slowing traffic, the council says this would remove the need for lane crossing and reduce potential clashes between cars and cyclists.

Instead of two lanes approaching The Plain from the city, there would be a single lane. The roundabout would also be raised with ramps.

Pavements surrounding the roundabout, which links the city centre and arterial routes of St Clement’s Street, Cowley Road and Iffley Road, will be widened, as would the existing pedestrian crossings.

The council says the The Plain is “off putting for less experienced riders” and has a “history of cyclist casualties”.

An estimated 4,700 cyclists use the roundabout between 7am and 7pm each day, and there have only been 29 accidents leading to reported injuries in the past five years.

The council hopes the changes will increase the number of cyclists using The Plain to 5,700. An estimated 3,500 cars use the roundabout every day, along with 1,000 bus journeys.

Tim Harding, manager of Cowley Road bike shop Cycloanalysts, said: “We do get a lot of people coming in who have been knocked off their bikes, and a lot of them do get knocked off at The Plain.

“Just sitting in the Cape of Good Hope pub at the end of Cowley Road the other day, we saw at least five people get into trouble, so it is a problem.”

According to the county’s submission to the Government, consultation on traffic orders for the scheme is due to take place in November this year, with a final design early next year.

Work would start in November next year, with a provisional opening date of April 1, 2015.

The county council is providing £130,000 towards the revamp, and the Department for Transport the other £835,000.

The county council's cabinet member for environment, David Nimmo-Smith, said: “This is great news and something I know thousands of cyclists will welcome.

“We are committed to making Oxford as cycle-friendly as possible. In many cases this can only be done with the help of external funds and so I am delighted the Government has been able to help out.”

The Government’s funding announcement also includes a feasibility study to look into creating a new national cycleway broadly following the route of the HS2 rail line.

The £42.6bn line – to open in 2026 – would go from London to the Midlands and the North of England, passing Finmere and Mixbury in north Oxfordshire.

Mr Cameron added: “Following our success in the Olympics, the Paralympics and the Tour de France, British cycling is riding high – now we want to see cycling soar.

“This Government wants to make it easier and safer for people who already cycle as well as encouraging far more people to take it up.”

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9:15am Mon 12 Aug 13

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe says...

The ONLY reason The Plain is dangerous for cyclists is because of the cyclists. Most do not follow the simple rule of stopping at a roundabout and giving way to the right. Most come tearing down the Iffley or Cowley road assuming it is safe to just keep going. That is why the accidents happen at The Plain. Enforce cyclists to stop at the roundabout and the problem goes away. If you don't believe me go and have a look between 7.30 and 8.30 on any given morning (maybe the Oxford Mail would like to go and count the number not stopping or attempting to stop and print the results then maybe we can just let this lie).
The ONLY reason The Plain is dangerous for cyclists is because of the cyclists. Most do not follow the simple rule of stopping at a roundabout and giving way to the right. Most come tearing down the Iffley or Cowley road assuming it is safe to just keep going. That is why the accidents happen at The Plain. Enforce cyclists to stop at the roundabout and the problem goes away. If you don't believe me go and have a look between 7.30 and 8.30 on any given morning (maybe the Oxford Mail would like to go and count the number not stopping or attempting to stop and print the results then maybe we can just let this lie). Sandy Wimpole-Smythe
  • Score: -15

9:18am Mon 12 Aug 13

MrKoworld says...

Good to see the Plain getting some attention. As regular driver/walker/cyclis
t there I have some mixed feelings about the plans. The kerb is ridiculously pinched at the corner of High Street and Cowley Place, the whole traffic flow is almost comically anti-cycling but losing the two-lane car split from town seems silly. That part works well to filter off Headington/London and East Oxford traffic.

I'd rather see some cycle/bus friendly work along St Clements first though. I cycle a lot in and around Oxford and that's the one stretch of road that genuinely scares me.
Good to see the Plain getting some attention. As regular driver/walker/cyclis t there I have some mixed feelings about the plans. The kerb is ridiculously pinched at the corner of High Street and Cowley Place, the whole traffic flow is almost comically anti-cycling but losing the two-lane car split from town seems silly. That part works well to filter off Headington/London and East Oxford traffic. I'd rather see some cycle/bus friendly work along St Clements first though. I cycle a lot in and around Oxford and that's the one stretch of road that genuinely scares me. MrKoworld
  • Score: -1

9:22am Mon 12 Aug 13

MrKoworld says...

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe wrote:
The ONLY reason The Plain is dangerous for cyclists is because of the cyclists. Most do not follow the simple rule of stopping at a roundabout and giving way to the right. Most come tearing down the Iffley or Cowley road assuming it is safe to just keep going. That is why the accidents happen at The Plain. Enforce cyclists to stop at the roundabout and the problem goes away. If you don't believe me go and have a look between 7.30 and 8.30 on any given morning (maybe the Oxford Mail would like to go and count the number not stopping or attempting to stop and print the results then maybe we can just let this lie).
It's not the only reason, and you know that if you've really watched the traffic down there. Yep, a number of cyclists do foolishly fail to stop but the amount of cutting up of cyclists by vehicles is at least equal to or greater than bit of thoughtless sneaking out that goes on.
[quote][p][bold]Sandy Wimpole-Smythe[/bold] wrote: The ONLY reason The Plain is dangerous for cyclists is because of the cyclists. Most do not follow the simple rule of stopping at a roundabout and giving way to the right. Most come tearing down the Iffley or Cowley road assuming it is safe to just keep going. That is why the accidents happen at The Plain. Enforce cyclists to stop at the roundabout and the problem goes away. If you don't believe me go and have a look between 7.30 and 8.30 on any given morning (maybe the Oxford Mail would like to go and count the number not stopping or attempting to stop and print the results then maybe we can just let this lie).[/p][/quote]It's not the only reason, and you know that if you've really watched the traffic down there. Yep, a number of cyclists do foolishly fail to stop but the amount of cutting up of cyclists by vehicles is at least equal to or greater than bit of thoughtless sneaking out that goes on. MrKoworld
  • Score: 0

9:56am Mon 12 Aug 13

The racer says...

Another Oxford landmark to be ruined with excessive road furniture in the name of 'traffic calming'. If the western approach is reduced from two lanes to one, traffic will be permanently solid over Magdalen Bridge and back to the High. Is this the image we want to promote to tourists? As MrKoworld says, the left lane effectively filters off traffic towards Headington and Marston. I believe this is simply the latest step in a long, cynical council campaign to discourage motorists from venturing into Oxford - starting with choking the ring-road roundabouts with traffic lights around 30 years ago. Create jams and people won't want to go there...
Another Oxford landmark to be ruined with excessive road furniture in the name of 'traffic calming'. If the western approach is reduced from two lanes to one, traffic will be permanently solid over Magdalen Bridge and back to the High. Is this the image we want to promote to tourists? As MrKoworld says, the left lane effectively filters off traffic towards Headington and Marston. I believe this is simply the latest step in a long, cynical council campaign to discourage motorists from venturing into Oxford - starting with choking the ring-road roundabouts with traffic lights around 30 years ago. Create jams and people won't want to go there... The racer
  • Score: -14

10:25am Mon 12 Aug 13

Bart_simpsonDoh says...

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10:28am Mon 12 Aug 13

Bart_simpsonDoh says...

Have to agree that turning it from two lanes to one will cause massive jams over the bridge, up the High street and also into Longwall. All beacuse cyclists can not follow the Highway code. 29 accidents in five years is very very small,with NO fatalities and does not justify spending the money on a wasted scheme that is not needed. All this is going to do is cause more traffic jams which this council seems happy to do all over Oxford.
Have to agree that turning it from two lanes to one will cause massive jams over the bridge, up the High street and also into Longwall. All beacuse cyclists can not follow the Highway code. 29 accidents in five years is very very small,with NO fatalities and does not justify spending the money on a wasted scheme that is not needed. All this is going to do is cause more traffic jams which this council seems happy to do all over Oxford. Bart_simpsonDoh
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10:51am Mon 12 Aug 13

MrKoworld says...

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
Have to agree that turning it from two lanes to one will cause massive jams over the bridge, up the High street and also into Longwall. All beacuse cyclists can not follow the Highway code. 29 accidents in five years is very very small,with NO fatalities and does not justify spending the money on a wasted scheme that is not needed. All this is going to do is cause more traffic jams which this council seems happy to do all over Oxford.
I know you have your weird anti-cyclist agenda but the current state of the Plain means BOTH cyclists and motorists habitually ignore the Highway Code. Whenever I drive around the Plain I'll see at least one car (not mine!) using the wrong lane, failing to signal, racing a cyclist or cutting up another road user.
[quote][p][bold]Bart_simpsonDoh[/bold] wrote: Have to agree that turning it from two lanes to one will cause massive jams over the bridge, up the High street and also into Longwall. All beacuse cyclists can not follow the Highway code. 29 accidents in five years is very very small,with NO fatalities and does not justify spending the money on a wasted scheme that is not needed. All this is going to do is cause more traffic jams which this council seems happy to do all over Oxford.[/p][/quote]I know you have your weird anti-cyclist agenda but the current state of the Plain means BOTH cyclists and motorists habitually ignore the Highway Code. Whenever I drive around the Plain I'll see at least one car (not mine!) using the wrong lane, failing to signal, racing a cyclist or cutting up another road user. MrKoworld
  • Score: -1

10:56am Mon 12 Aug 13

Puddleglum says...

I agree that narrowing the lanes will slow traffic; the jams it causes will be phenomenal.
I agree that narrowing the lanes will slow traffic; the jams it causes will be phenomenal. Puddleglum
  • Score: 4

11:52am Mon 12 Aug 13

Andrew:Oxford says...

Should be interesting, bring it down to one lane and all it will take is a single lobbyist with a "cause" to bring the whole of East Oxford to a halt in order to raise awareness about their current campaign.

If they do go ahead, can we please have the entire area excavated to a good depth and large service tunnels built in order that engineers can access water, gas, electricity, communications and sewerage networks without having to dig up the road?

There are quite a few streets in the City of London where this has already happened.
Should be interesting, bring it down to one lane and all it will take is a single lobbyist with a "cause" to bring the whole of East Oxford to a halt in order to raise awareness about their current campaign. If they do go ahead, can we please have the entire area excavated to a good depth and large service tunnels built in order that engineers can access water, gas, electricity, communications and sewerage networks without having to dig up the road? There are quite a few streets in the City of London where this has already happened. Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 0

11:55am Mon 12 Aug 13

LittleBrother says...

Another habitual problem on The Plain is the number of bus drivers on the roundabout who stop and give way to the left if another bus is waiting to join - very dangerous and contravenes Highway Code rule 185
Another habitual problem on The Plain is the number of bus drivers on the roundabout who stop and give way to the left if another bus is waiting to join - very dangerous and contravenes Highway Code rule 185 LittleBrother
  • Score: -4

12:59pm Mon 12 Aug 13

King Joke says...

The two-lane section of road eastbound between Mag Bridge and the Plain is probably not even 100 metres long - will reducing it to one lane cause that much congestion?
The two-lane section of road eastbound between Mag Bridge and the Plain is probably not even 100 metres long - will reducing it to one lane cause that much congestion? King Joke
  • Score: 3

1:04pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Andrew:Oxford says...

LittleBrother wrote:
Another habitual problem on The Plain is the number of bus drivers on the roundabout who stop and give way to the left if another bus is waiting to join - very dangerous and contravenes Highway Code rule 185
The other is where car drivers ignore clear signage and turn directly from the Cowley Road onto Iffley Road without going round the roundabout - usually "cutting-up" a cyclist as they do so.

Not that there is anywhere for traffic police to actually sit in a car and monitor the goings on at The Plain anyway...

If there was, it would be a magnificent revenue earner with bad driving, poor signalling, ignoring road-signs, no seatbelts and regular mobile phone use.
[quote][p][bold]LittleBrother[/bold] wrote: Another habitual problem on The Plain is the number of bus drivers on the roundabout who stop and give way to the left if another bus is waiting to join - very dangerous and contravenes Highway Code rule 185[/p][/quote]The other is where car drivers ignore clear signage and turn directly from the Cowley Road onto Iffley Road without going round the roundabout - usually "cutting-up" a cyclist as they do so. Not that there is anywhere for traffic police to actually sit in a car and monitor the goings on at The Plain anyway... If there was, it would be a magnificent revenue earner with bad driving, poor signalling, ignoring road-signs, no seatbelts and regular mobile phone use. Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 1

1:13pm Mon 12 Aug 13

King Joke says...

LittleBrother wrote:
Another habitual problem on The Plain is the number of bus drivers on the roundabout who stop and give way to the left if another bus is waiting to join - very dangerous and contravenes Highway Code rule 185
There is nothing in Rule 185 to prevent you slowing to allow traffic to join the roundabout, and I don't see how it is dangerous. If a bus in front of you slows down you slow down too, as you would for any other vehicle.
[quote][p][bold]LittleBrother[/bold] wrote: Another habitual problem on The Plain is the number of bus drivers on the roundabout who stop and give way to the left if another bus is waiting to join - very dangerous and contravenes Highway Code rule 185[/p][/quote]There is nothing in Rule 185 to prevent you slowing to allow traffic to join the roundabout, and I don't see how it is dangerous. If a bus in front of you slows down you slow down too, as you would for any other vehicle. King Joke
  • Score: -1

4:02pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Citizen Sunday says...

Yet another farcical charade attempting to resolve transit issues between the city centre and the east- with everyone, as usual, skirting around the obvious...
Yet another farcical charade attempting to resolve transit issues between the city centre and the east- with everyone, as usual, skirting around the obvious... Citizen Sunday
  • Score: -41

4:04pm Mon 12 Aug 13

King Joke says...

... the obvious being, Citizen?
... the obvious being, Citizen? King Joke
  • Score: 4

4:36pm Mon 12 Aug 13

MrGrumble says...

How about investing in the current cycle facilities and bringing them up to a suitable standard, The cycle lane on the A34 is terrible as is the cycle lane/pavement at the bottom of Hollow Way and along Garsington Road, This is not what cyclist or motorist need. As a cyclist I see the biggest problem being University students who assume because they've paid their fees it almost hands them the right to do what they want (one had the nerve to moan after she crashed into me because I stopped at a Red Light and then had the nerve to tell me I should have carried on going, as if I stayed next to the kerb I was fine as I would be merging with traffic) The only work needed on the Plain is the pavement pulled back in outside the Cape and the traffic Island at the Cowley road entrance removed (to how it was prior to last bout of improvements") to enable the motor vehicles to get on and off the roundabout more effectively! All this equals is long delays getting in and out of the city and increasing congestion in surrounding areas, and all the knock on effect will also affect the Abingdon Road and the main routes around the outskirts of the City
How about investing in the current cycle facilities and bringing them up to a suitable standard, The cycle lane on the A34 is terrible as is the cycle lane/pavement at the bottom of Hollow Way and along Garsington Road, This is not what cyclist or motorist need. As a cyclist I see the biggest problem being University students who assume because they've paid their fees it almost hands them the right to do what they want (one had the nerve to moan after she crashed into me because I stopped at a Red Light and then had the nerve to tell me I should have carried on going, as if I stayed next to the kerb I was fine as I would be merging with traffic) The only work needed on the Plain is the pavement pulled back in outside the Cape and the traffic Island at the Cowley road entrance removed (to how it was prior to last bout of improvements") to enable the motor vehicles to get on and off the roundabout more effectively! All this equals is long delays getting in and out of the city and increasing congestion in surrounding areas, and all the knock on effect will also affect the Abingdon Road and the main routes around the outskirts of the City MrGrumble
  • Score: -54

4:46pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Citizen Sunday says...

For Magdalen and/or Christ Church college/s to allow access- even if limited to daytime hours only, in keeping with Broad Walk's opening times- for additional pedestrian/cycle links over the Cherwell, through their rather exorbitant college grounds (as lovely as they are), and onward to the city centre.
As it would promote 'green travel', one would think the Colleges in question would be quite receptive to the idea. But then again, the East isn't North.
For Magdalen and/or Christ Church college/s to allow access- even if limited to daytime hours only, in keeping with Broad Walk's opening times- for additional pedestrian/cycle links over the Cherwell, through their rather exorbitant college grounds (as lovely as they are), and onward to the city centre. As it would promote 'green travel', one would think the Colleges in question would be quite receptive to the idea. But then again, the East isn't North. Citizen Sunday
  • Score: -49

4:51pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Citizen Sunday says...

Citizen Sunday wrote:
For Magdalen and/or Christ Church college/s to allow access- even if limited to daytime hours only, in keeping with Broad Walk's opening times- for additional pedestrian/cycle links over the Cherwell, through their rather exorbitant college grounds (as lovely as they are), and onward to the city centre.
As it would promote 'green travel', one would think the Colleges in question would be quite receptive to the idea. But then again, the East isn't North.
F.a.o. King Joke
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Sunday[/bold] wrote: For Magdalen and/or Christ Church college/s to allow access- even if limited to daytime hours only, in keeping with Broad Walk's opening times- for additional pedestrian/cycle links over the Cherwell, through their rather exorbitant college grounds (as lovely as they are), and onward to the city centre. As it would promote 'green travel', one would think the Colleges in question would be quite receptive to the idea. But then again, the East isn't North.[/p][/quote]F.a.o. King Joke Citizen Sunday
  • Score: -51

4:53pm Mon 12 Aug 13

King Joke says...

Interesting idea Citizen - Chch Meadow would make an ideal cycle route. Many cyclists do not want to be using Mag Bridge, High St etc and only do so because Chch Meadow is closed to cyclists.

You would still need to cycle across the Plain to get to such a facility however, if coming from the Iffley or Cowley roads.
Interesting idea Citizen - Chch Meadow would make an ideal cycle route. Many cyclists do not want to be using Mag Bridge, High St etc and only do so because Chch Meadow is closed to cyclists. You would still need to cycle across the Plain to get to such a facility however, if coming from the Iffley or Cowley roads. King Joke
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Mon 12 Aug 13

VYcanismajoris says...

This will cause gridlock and the council will be left with a massive bill to change it, watch this space. More should be done for cyclists, how about a raised cycle route around the city?
This will cause gridlock and the council will be left with a massive bill to change it, watch this space. More should be done for cyclists, how about a raised cycle route around the city? VYcanismajoris
  • Score: -7

5:48pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Citizen Sunday says...

King Joke wrote:
Interesting idea Citizen - Chch Meadow would make an ideal cycle route. Many cyclists do not want to be using Mag Bridge, High St etc and only do so because Chch Meadow is closed to cyclists.

You would still need to cycle across the Plain to get to such a facility however, if coming from the Iffley or Cowley roads.
I'd have Meadow Lane extended along the western side of the university sports complex, but forking off before adjoining Broad Walk via a new bridge, to connect a new 'north of Magdalen Bridge' route via running beneath Magdalen Bridge through Angel Greyhound Meadow (being slightly raised/stilted to avoid floodwaters). It may add a cyclists journey time, but gives him/her the option to use leafy, traffic-free routes.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: Interesting idea Citizen - Chch Meadow would make an ideal cycle route. Many cyclists do not want to be using Mag Bridge, High St etc and only do so because Chch Meadow is closed to cyclists. You would still need to cycle across the Plain to get to such a facility however, if coming from the Iffley or Cowley roads.[/p][/quote]I'd have Meadow Lane extended along the western side of the university sports complex, but forking off before adjoining Broad Walk via a new bridge, to connect a new 'north of Magdalen Bridge' route via running beneath Magdalen Bridge through Angel Greyhound Meadow (being slightly raised/stilted to avoid floodwaters). It may add a cyclists journey time, but gives him/her the option to use leafy, traffic-free routes. Citizen Sunday
  • Score: -54

5:48pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Isawyoucoming says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
Should be interesting, bring it down to one lane and all it will take is a single lobbyist with a "cause" to bring the whole of East Oxford to a halt in order to raise awareness about their current campaign.

If they do go ahead, can we please have the entire area excavated to a good depth and large service tunnels built in order that engineers can access water, gas, electricity, communications and sewerage networks without having to dig up the road?

There are quite a few streets in the City of London where this has already happened.
Good idea thames water have just today started digging up the high street and st aldates. last week it was turl street, all pretty new road surfaces
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: Should be interesting, bring it down to one lane and all it will take is a single lobbyist with a "cause" to bring the whole of East Oxford to a halt in order to raise awareness about their current campaign. If they do go ahead, can we please have the entire area excavated to a good depth and large service tunnels built in order that engineers can access water, gas, electricity, communications and sewerage networks without having to dig up the road? There are quite a few streets in the City of London where this has already happened.[/p][/quote]Good idea thames water have just today started digging up the high street and st aldates. last week it was turl street, all pretty new road surfaces Isawyoucoming
  • Score: -1

10:46am Tue 13 Aug 13

andy1975 says...

Good to see some much needed investment in cycle infrastructure, but I fear its a token effort rather than the radical overhaul of our city roads that we need. There should be seperate cycle lanes/routes kept apart from the traffic like there are in forward thinking countries like Denmark and Holland. This is a start, but we need to invest a lot more than this.
Good to see some much needed investment in cycle infrastructure, but I fear its a token effort rather than the radical overhaul of our city roads that we need. There should be seperate cycle lanes/routes kept apart from the traffic like there are in forward thinking countries like Denmark and Holland. This is a start, but we need to invest a lot more than this. andy1975
  • Score: 9

1:49pm Tue 13 Aug 13

Swell70 says...

"Richard Mann, from cycling campaign group Cyclox, said: “I think it’s excellent news."

Did you state this before or after you allowed yourself to be filmed cycling around The Plain whilst not wearing a helmet for the local TV news last night?

How utterly foolish to position yourself and Cyclox as 'the voice of safe cycling in Oxford' and to be filmed for an article whilst not wearing a helmet?!

And no, I am not anti-cycling, quite the opposite, I am a keen cyclist, but I'm also a car driver that was left rolling my eyes at the absurdity of your message last night.
"Richard Mann, from cycling campaign group Cyclox, said: “I think it’s excellent news." Did you state this before or after you allowed yourself to be filmed cycling around The Plain whilst not wearing a helmet for the local TV news last night? How utterly foolish to position yourself and Cyclox as 'the voice of safe cycling in Oxford' and to be filmed for an article whilst not wearing a helmet?! And no, I am not anti-cycling, quite the opposite, I am a keen cyclist, but I'm also a car driver that was left rolling my eyes at the absurdity of your message last night. Swell70
  • Score: -49

2:07pm Wed 14 Aug 13

LouiseOxford says...

Swell70 wrote:
"Richard Mann, from cycling campaign group Cyclox, said: “I think it’s excellent news."

Did you state this before or after you allowed yourself to be filmed cycling around The Plain whilst not wearing a helmet for the local TV news last night?

How utterly foolish to position yourself and Cyclox as 'the voice of safe cycling in Oxford' and to be filmed for an article whilst not wearing a helmet?!

And no, I am not anti-cycling, quite the opposite, I am a keen cyclist, but I'm also a car driver that was left rolling my eyes at the absurdity of your message last night.
I hate to break it to you but a helmet wouldn't stop the injuries you would sustain if you were smooshed by a car (which is the point of the proposed changes to The Plain - less chances for a car to swipe a cyclist). I wear mine knowing it will only protect me if I, for example, hit a pothole and snack my head on the kerb. It's not much use for anything more forceful than that, so best to avoid drivers' blind spots and cars/lorries/buses getting any chance of pulling across into you at all costs.
[quote][p][bold]Swell70[/bold] wrote: "Richard Mann, from cycling campaign group Cyclox, said: “I think it’s excellent news." Did you state this before or after you allowed yourself to be filmed cycling around The Plain whilst not wearing a helmet for the local TV news last night? How utterly foolish to position yourself and Cyclox as 'the voice of safe cycling in Oxford' and to be filmed for an article whilst not wearing a helmet?! And no, I am not anti-cycling, quite the opposite, I am a keen cyclist, but I'm also a car driver that was left rolling my eyes at the absurdity of your message last night.[/p][/quote]I hate to break it to you but a helmet wouldn't stop the injuries you would sustain if you were smooshed by a car (which is the point of the proposed changes to The Plain - less chances for a car to swipe a cyclist). I wear mine knowing it will only protect me if I, for example, hit a pothole and snack my head on the kerb. It's not much use for anything more forceful than that, so best to avoid drivers' blind spots and cars/lorries/buses getting any chance of pulling across into you at all costs. LouiseOxford
  • Score: 3

2:48pm Wed 14 Aug 13

fairy godmother says...

Its not that long since a fortune was spent on that roundabout, what a waste of money.....
Its not that long since a fortune was spent on that roundabout, what a waste of money..... fairy godmother
  • Score: 0

3:38pm Wed 14 Aug 13

Swell70 says...

LouiseOxford wrote:
Swell70 wrote:
"Richard Mann, from cycling campaign group Cyclox, said: “I think it’s excellent news."

Did you state this before or after you allowed yourself to be filmed cycling around The Plain whilst not wearing a helmet for the local TV news last night?

How utterly foolish to position yourself and Cyclox as 'the voice of safe cycling in Oxford' and to be filmed for an article whilst not wearing a helmet?!

And no, I am not anti-cycling, quite the opposite, I am a keen cyclist, but I'm also a car driver that was left rolling my eyes at the absurdity of your message last night.
I hate to break it to you but a helmet wouldn't stop the injuries you would sustain if you were smooshed by a car (which is the point of the proposed changes to The Plain - less chances for a car to swipe a cyclist). I wear mine knowing it will only protect me if I, for example, hit a pothole and snack my head on the kerb. It's not much use for anything more forceful than that, so best to avoid drivers' blind spots and cars/lorries/buses getting any chance of pulling across into you at all costs.
LouiseOxford, Fear not - you have no need to "hate to break it to me", you are not telling me anything I don't already know, but I do believe you may have totally missed the point of my comment. My comment isn't to do with the endless debate about helmet efficacy, nor even about the proposed changes (which incidentally I think are probably a good thing).

When I ride my bike I mostly wear a helmet. And sometimes I don't. Depends how I feel, as an intelligent adult I know the risks, and I understand the benefits of a helmet. The decision to wear it or not is mine.

However, I do not position myself as the voice of cycling in Oxford. I do not campaign for safer cycling (although I would like it, of course) and I do not appear on TV and offer commentary on the subject, so I feel at liberty to make my own choices about wearing my helmet.

If I did position myself as a cycling campaigner, like Richard Mann from Cyclox, I think it would be sensible to wear a helmet when being filmed riding on my bike during an article about taxpayers money being used to make a tricky roundabout safer. It sets a good example of cyclists trying to help themselves to be as safe as possible. To be seen on TV commentating about cycle safety and then to be filmed cycling without a helmet is something of a foolish act.

That, LouiseOxford, was my point.
[quote][p][bold]LouiseOxford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swell70[/bold] wrote: "Richard Mann, from cycling campaign group Cyclox, said: “I think it’s excellent news." Did you state this before or after you allowed yourself to be filmed cycling around The Plain whilst not wearing a helmet for the local TV news last night? How utterly foolish to position yourself and Cyclox as 'the voice of safe cycling in Oxford' and to be filmed for an article whilst not wearing a helmet?! And no, I am not anti-cycling, quite the opposite, I am a keen cyclist, but I'm also a car driver that was left rolling my eyes at the absurdity of your message last night.[/p][/quote]I hate to break it to you but a helmet wouldn't stop the injuries you would sustain if you were smooshed by a car (which is the point of the proposed changes to The Plain - less chances for a car to swipe a cyclist). I wear mine knowing it will only protect me if I, for example, hit a pothole and snack my head on the kerb. It's not much use for anything more forceful than that, so best to avoid drivers' blind spots and cars/lorries/buses getting any chance of pulling across into you at all costs.[/p][/quote]LouiseOxford, Fear not - you have no need to "hate to break it to me", you are not telling me anything I don't already know, but I do believe you may have totally missed the point of my comment. My comment isn't to do with the endless debate about helmet efficacy, nor even about the proposed changes (which incidentally I think are probably a good thing). When I ride my bike I mostly wear a helmet. And sometimes I don't. Depends how I feel, as an intelligent adult I know the risks, and I understand the benefits of a helmet. The decision to wear it or not is mine. However, I do not position myself as the voice of cycling in Oxford. I do not campaign for safer cycling (although I would like it, of course) and I do not appear on TV and offer commentary on the subject, so I feel at liberty to make my own choices about wearing my helmet. If I did position myself as a cycling campaigner, like Richard Mann from Cyclox, I think it would be sensible to wear a helmet when being filmed riding on my bike during an article about taxpayers money being used to make a tricky roundabout safer. It sets a good example of cyclists trying to help themselves to be as safe as possible. To be seen on TV commentating about cycle safety and then to be filmed cycling without a helmet is something of a foolish act. That, LouiseOxford, was my point. Swell70
  • Score: -51

4:45pm Wed 14 Aug 13

arthurturner says...

I have a simple solution........ban all cycles from using the roundabout,they should dismount and walk,to the exit they require,it would take them about 2 minutes MAX,this would save ££££££ ....no planning then digging up half the road......no accidents so saving ££££ with hospital/ambulance bills......no clogging up the roads causing jams which will increase emissions ten fold......oh dear the poor old cyclist having to WALK!!!!! whatever next??
I have a simple solution........ban all cycles from using the roundabout,they should dismount and walk,to the exit they require,it would take them about 2 minutes MAX,this would save ££££££ ....no planning then digging up half the road......no accidents so saving ££££ with hospital/ambulance bills......no clogging up the roads causing jams which will increase emissions ten fold......oh dear the poor old cyclist having to WALK!!!!! whatever next?? arthurturner
  • Score: -146

4:59pm Wed 14 Aug 13

King Joke says...

2 mins for the 6k/day cyclists using the roundabout equates to 200 hours. At professional rates of £25/hr this is £5k/day time wasted. At this rate the roundabout improvements would pay for themselves in 200 days, ie less than a year. They should go ahead right away.
2 mins for the 6k/day cyclists using the roundabout equates to 200 hours. At professional rates of £25/hr this is £5k/day time wasted. At this rate the roundabout improvements would pay for themselves in 200 days, ie less than a year. They should go ahead right away. King Joke
  • Score: 5

7:08pm Wed 14 Aug 13

arthurturner says...

King Joke wrote:
2 mins for the 6k/day cyclists using the roundabout equates to 200 hours. At professional rates of £25/hr this is £5k/day time wasted. At this rate the roundabout improvements would pay for themselves in 200 days, ie less than a year. They should go ahead right away.
I suggest they leave a little earlier then,anywayi dont believe for 1 minute those car/cyclist figures,maybe those idiot demonstrators were doing their pointless demo again when the count was taken??????????

ps: you conveniently forgot to include the hours wasted by your so called "profesionals" sat in the traffic queues contaminating the city air while waiting for the roadtax dodgers to make their way across the roundabout.

STOP this idiotic idea NOW!!!!
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: 2 mins for the 6k/day cyclists using the roundabout equates to 200 hours. At professional rates of £25/hr this is £5k/day time wasted. At this rate the roundabout improvements would pay for themselves in 200 days, ie less than a year. They should go ahead right away.[/p][/quote]I suggest they leave a little earlier then,anywayi dont believe for 1 minute those car/cyclist figures,maybe those idiot demonstrators were doing their pointless demo again when the count was taken?????????? ps: you conveniently forgot to include the hours wasted by your so called "profesionals" sat in the traffic queues contaminating the city air while waiting for the roadtax dodgers to make their way across the roundabout. STOP this idiotic idea NOW!!!! arthurturner
  • Score: -137

8:14am Thu 15 Aug 13

King Joke says...

The more cyclists use the roundabout the faster it flows - a bike takes up less room than a car - so professionals of using all modes get there quicker.

The 6k cyclists/day using The Plain was taken a few years ago. I don't know if there were any 'idiot demonstrators' around, whoever they may be. I didn't quote any car figures. I stand by my analysis.
The more cyclists use the roundabout the faster it flows - a bike takes up less room than a car - so professionals of using all modes get there quicker. The 6k cyclists/day using The Plain was taken a few years ago. I don't know if there were any 'idiot demonstrators' around, whoever they may be. I didn't quote any car figures. I stand by my analysis. King Joke
  • Score: 8

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