Youth club puts out a call for minibus drivers (From thisisoxfordshire)

jamiek wrote:
A minibus and a crb check no wonder nobody wants to help

King Joke wrote:
Paediatrician LOL!

Seriously though, the No 6 to Wolvercote runs all night, why not just get them to get the bus? Ask their parents to contibute to the fare and let the club contribute the rest.

King Joke wrote:
Paediatrician LOL!

Seriously though, the No 6 to Wolvercote runs all night, why not just get them to get the bus? Ask their parents to contibute to the fare and let the club contribute the rest.

King Joke wrote:
Children pay a half fare, and I was suggesting parents sharing costs with the club. The minibus would be cheaper, but only on the basis of finding free labour which, the article suggests, is hard to come by. If the youth club is as good as they say it is, the parents will be happy to put a quid or two towards their child's bus fare.

THere are always examples such as yours where you could save taking a cab. You're welcome to take one! THere are plenty of other occasions when you're not travelling in a group of adults when the bus offers a convenient turn-up-and-go service with no booking required, and no requirement to listen to Heart FM or inhale Magic Tree.

King Joke wrote:
I'm not saying it isn't expensive, but it's a selective example. There are plenty of other examples where the value is actually quite good. For someone living in Cowley or BBL, £15 is pretty good for travelling to work in the city centre, and all your leisure travel is then free, including the night bus.

I don't use the bus every day but the Any-5-Day product works out at £3/day. THere are no local shops where I live, so if I need to go to the Station, the Cowley Rd or the Botley Rd I usually have to change in town, so if I'm doing a couple of things like going to the vet's and then going shopping, £3 ain't at all bad for 5-6 journeys.

Grunden Skip wrote:

jamiek wrote:
A minibus and a crb check no wonder nobody wants to help

That is the problem nowadays with trying to help, everybody thinks that you are a pediatrician, hence the need for all those checks, if you have to go to all that hassle you might as well get paid for your driving.

DoctorBob wrote:

Grunden Skip wrote:

jamiek wrote:
A minibus and a crb check no wonder nobody wants to help

That is the problem nowadays with trying to help, everybody thinks that you are a pediatrician, hence the need for all those checks, if you have to go to all that hassle you might as well get paid for your driving.

The need for all those checks appears to be well justified given all the recent stories coming out wouldn't you say?

And where does it say anything about not being able to find people? It's asking for people so we won't know if they can get anybody for a little while yet.

Does anybody actually read properly these days before gobbing off a load of ill informed opinionated nonsense?

King Joke wrote:
Back on topic. THere are 150 kids attending. LEt's say 50 come from Wolvercote and can walk, and 100 come from Jericho, Summertown etc. A minibus has 16 seats. To cater for all of them a minibus would have to make six return trips. Let's say each return trip would take 15 minutes, so the whole exercise would take 75 min.

It would take a lot longer if they were picked up from their doors, so you'd have to have agreed pick up points with a set time given for each. If more than 16 kids turned up at one point, you'd need to leave them behind and tell them to walk to the next pick up, assuming there weren't 16 kids there as well.

It's all very complicated, and much simpler just to get them to get on the local bus that can accommodate the lot, and runs every 15-20 mins.

Grunden, you missed my point, which was that your example was selective.

King Joke wrote:
Oh, I haven't got a downer on minibuses nor voluntary organisations. A minibus would be ideal in an isolated rural area with no transport. We're talking here, however, of a large town with decent PT, which is perfectly adequate for transporting these kids to the facilities they want.

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
"The need for all those checks appears to be well justified given all the recent stories coming out wouldn't you say?"
Well it might, social worker, except for the fact it doesn't use fingerprints so in urban areas, where names are a moveable feast, like Oxford, it's meaningless.
PS JS would have got a clean CRB check, with or without prints.

Grunden Skip wrote:

DoctorBob wrote:

Grunden Skip wrote:

jamiek wrote:
A minibus and a crb check no wonder nobody wants to help

That is the problem nowadays with trying to help, everybody thinks that you are a pediatrician, hence the need for all those checks, if you have to go to all that hassle you might as well get paid for your driving.

The need for all those checks appears to be well justified given all the recent stories coming out wouldn't you say?

And where does it say anything about not being able to find people? It's asking for people so we won't know if they can get anybody for a little while yet.

Does anybody actually read properly these days before gobbing off a load of ill informed opinionated nonsense?

No, Dr Bob, because if you look outside of your "social worker" brainwashing, you will see that nearly all crimes of the nature that you mention are done by people that would pass a CRB, as most are first offenders. And yes we do read the stories, it is just that we read them a bit differently to you, it does not make us wrong And King we did get a bit off subject there, but bus fares are a rip off in Oxford.

DoctorBob wrote:

King Joke wrote: Back on topic. THere are 150 kids attending. LEt's say 50 come from Wolvercote and can walk, and 100 come from Jericho, Summertown etc. A minibus has 16 seats. To cater for all of them a minibus would have to make six return trips. Let's say each return trip would take 15 minutes, so the whole exercise would take 75 min. It would take a lot longer if they were picked up from their doors, so you'd have to have agreed pick up points with a set time given for each. If more than 16 kids turned up at one point, you'd need to leave them behind and tell them to walk to the next pick up, assuming there weren't 16 kids there as well. It's all very complicated, and much simpler just to get them to get on the local bus that can accommodate the lot, and runs every 15-20 mins. Grunden, you missed my point, which was that your example was selective.

Having no clue as to how they plan to carry out this operation renders your guesswork completely redundant. Haven't you got anything better to do with your time?

DoctorBob wrote:

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
"The need for all those checks appears to be well justified given all the recent stories coming out wouldn't you say?"
Well it might, social worker, except for the fact it doesn't use fingerprints so in urban areas, where names are a moveable feast, like Oxford, it's meaningless.
PS JS would have got a clean CRB check, with or without prints.

I see you have turned your incorrect guesswork into nailed on fact now. I'm not a Social Worker my lord.

Anyway, back to the real world, you appear to have no knowledge or understanding of how a CRB works my lord but I'm sure you could blame the Socialists.

King Joke wrote:
It does mention Jericho, in fact it is the only place mentioned. As it is the only place mentioned, this suggests it is the place they are wanting to transport kids from.

Fair comment about seven-year-old kids, but anyone old enough to attend secondary school, ie from eleven up, should be able to ride a bus, after all some of them will get to school this way. People may be tanked at 0100, but not at 2100 when kids were coming back from a youth club.

gree0115 wrote:
According to https://www.gov.uk/d

riving-a-minibus you don't need a minibus driving licence if it's "not for profit".

Lord Palmerstone wrote:

DoctorBob wrote:

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
"The need for all those checks appears to be well justified given all the recent stories coming out wouldn't you say?"
Well it might, social worker, except for the fact it doesn't use fingerprints so in urban areas, where names are a moveable feast, like Oxford, it's meaningless.
PS JS would have got a clean CRB check, with or without prints.

I see you have turned your incorrect guesswork into nailed on fact now. I'm not a Social Worker my lord.

Anyway, back to the real world, you appear to have no knowledge or understanding of how a CRB works my lord but I'm sure you could blame the Socialists.

It's you who said you worked with the homeless all your life, not me. Technically you may have a different job title but social worker is close enough. And funnily enough my work takes me very near to CRB checks so, unlike you, I actually know they're worthless. However they are a form of displacement activity for the half educated CRB employees and harmless enough if you don't trust them.

Lord Palmerstone wrote:

DoctorBob wrote:

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
"The need for all those checks appears to be well justified given all the recent stories coming out wouldn't you say?"
Well it might, social worker, except for the fact it doesn't use fingerprints so in urban areas, where names are a moveable feast, like Oxford, it's meaningless.
PS JS would have got a clean CRB check, with or without prints.

I see you have turned your incorrect guesswork into nailed on fact now. I'm not a Social Worker my lord.

Anyway, back to the real world, you appear to have no knowledge or understanding of how a CRB works my lord but I'm sure you could blame the Socialists.

It's you who said you worked with the homeless all your life, not me. Technically you may have a different job title but social worker is close enough. And funnily enough my work takes me very near to CRB checks so, unlike you, I actually know they're worthless. However they are a form of displacement activity for the half educated CRB employees and harmless enough if you don't trust them.

DoctorBob wrote:

gree0115 wrote:
According to https://www.gov.uk/d


riving-a-minibus you don't need a minibus driving licence if it's "not for profit".

Another illiterate. Re read the info in the link you posted. It does not say what you have posted. The thing with evidence is that it needs to say what you claim it says.

gree0115 wrote:
You may be able to drive a minibus with up to 16 passenger seats using your current car driving licence as long as it’s not for ‘hire or reward’ - ie there’s no payment from or on behalf of the passengers.

gree0115 wrote:

DoctorBob wrote:

gree0115 wrote:
According to https://www.gov.uk/d



riving-a-minibus you don't need a minibus driving licence if it's "not for profit".

Another illiterate. Re read the info in the link you posted. It does not say what you have posted. The thing with evidence is that it needs to say what you claim it says.

DrBob, unlike you I am not a bitter and twisted cynic.. I offered my suggestion as it may assist the group getting a driver. They may not necessarily need to have a minibus licence as the group is a charity.